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Question about what 32Gb ram to get ... 4000... 4133...

I'm buying an MSI Unify... it's the sweet spot for me. I'll buy a 3600X for now and upgrading to 4000 when it comes out.

My questions now are about RAM.

So I have a need for 32Gb and I'm deciding what to get.

The options on the table are these:

Team Group Xtreem 8Pack 32Gb Kit 4000CL18 4x8Gb ( downclocked to 3800CL1x )
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team-...my-096-tg.html

2x Team Group Xtreem 8Pack 4133CL18 16Gb Kit (2x8Gb)
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team-...my-099-tg.html

These are all b-dies


So my questions are:
a) Do you think using 4 ram sticks will be ok with Ryzen 3000 ?
b) Any idea if buying 2 kits of 2x8Gb will be ok, or should i buy the 32Gb kit (4x8) right from the start for compatibility reasons?
c) 4133Mhz vs 4000Mhz ... what do you think it would be better?
d) Last option is to get 2 x 16Gb ram sticks ... but i didn't want to spend more budget since these will be pretty expensive...

Thank you all!

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ignoring the trash B-Die bins like the Antec 3 Series DDR4-2400 15-15-15 and the ADATA (XPG IIRC?) 3000 16-18-18 kits, B-Die is B-Die is B-Die. Shove 1.5v into them and they're all going to end up at roughly the same OC.

all 16GB DIMMs (AFAIK) are dual rank and they're not going to OC as well as the 8GB DIMMs. Unless you plan on making the move to 64GB I'd stick with 8x4.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Pedros View Post
I'm buying an MSI Unify... it's the sweet spot for me. I'll buy a 3600X for now and upgrading to 4000 when it comes out.

My questions now are about RAM.

So I have a need for 32Gb and I'm deciding what to get.

The options on the table are these:

Team Group Xtreem 8Pack 32Gb Kit 4000CL18 4x8Gb ( downclocked to 3800CL1x )
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team-...my-096-tg.html

2x Team Group Xtreem 8Pack 4133CL18 16Gb Kit (2x8Gb)
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team-...my-099-tg.html

These are all b-dies


So my questions are:
a) Do you think using 4 ram sticks will be ok with Ryzen 3000 ?
b) Any idea if buying 2 kits of 2x8Gb will be ok, or should i buy the 32Gb kit (4x8) right from the start for compatibility reasons?
c) 4133Mhz vs 4000Mhz ... what do you think it would be better?
d) Last option is to get 2 x 16Gb ram sticks ... but i didn't want to spend more budget since these will be pretty expensive...

Thank you all!

Why are you throwing you money up in the air with this fast RAM that ain't gonna do jack for your system. You buy a 32GB kit that costs more then your CPU. Instead ease down on the RAM you don't need fast RAM like that. It does nothing but win benchmarks. Get a better priced RAM ,, sweet spot is 3200Mhz to 3600Mhz then get a good CPU like the 3900x. Worst case a 3800 ........ Your RAM isn't going to give you more FPS. Save money buy a video card in the future. Buying RAM that costs more then your CPU and motherboard is utter stupidity. Im not calling you stupid by no means. Im sure your a great smart guy. I just wanna help you understand 3200 or 4000 your CPU is the factor of your speed. I can kill your benchmark if I had a 3900x over what you have now; you with the 4000Mhz and me with a 3900 3200Mhz Kit. Unless your rich and don't care tp be ripped off then go for it,, but its a utter waste of money. Hope you make the right choice.

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Can't really understand why even someone would consider to buy a 4xxx Ram module, when all guides/reviews are mentioning that Ram performs better at 3xxx with tight subtimings.

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Can't really understand why even someone would consider to buy a 4xxx Ram module, when all guides/reviews are mentioning that Ram performs better at 3xxx with tight subtimings.

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I bought 4000mhz ram modules. Without them, I cannot properly power 240hz at full ultra settings for the games I like to play. That's why people would buy them. None of the guides tell you what is actually required to power 240hz, they just let people buy the wrong stuff first. 3xxx with tight subs does not outperform 4000 with tight subs unless the 3xxx is a 2 dimm configuration and the 4000 is a 4 dimm configuration(referring to latency here, they lose on bandwidth automatically due to interleaving between all 4 dimms even at the same frequency).

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I bought 4000mhz ram modules. Without them, I cannot properly power 240hz at full ultra settings for the games I like to play. That's why people would buy them. None of the guides tell you what is actually required to power 240hz, they just let people buy the wrong stuff first. 3xxx with tight subs does not outperform 4000 with tight subs unless the 3xxx is a 2 dimm configuration and the 4000 is a 4 dimm configuration(referring to latency here, they lose on bandwidth automatically due to interleaving between all 4 dimms even at the same frequency).
I do agree with this... I run my ram at 4600 for 240hz gaming with looser timings. Not on ryzen though. As far as 2 kits of 2x8Gb everyone says not to do it, but I did it and they OC pretty well on X299... though the specs on the 2 kits are identical. Ryzen 3000 series seems to like 3600-3733 ram the best with tighter timings, as you can run at the same speed as the infinity fabric... so paying extra for 4000+ may not make sense. 3600 16-16-16-36 or even 15-15-15-35 (hard to find) @ 1.35v would be optimal price/performance sticks for your 3600X.

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I bought 4000mhz ram modules. Without them, I cannot properly power 240hz at full ultra settings for the games I like to play. That's why people would buy them. None of the guides tell you what is actually required to power 240hz, they just let people buy the wrong stuff first. 3xxx with tight subs does not outperform 4000 with tight subs unless the 3xxx is a 2 dimm configuration and the 4000 is a 4 dimm configuration(referring to latency here, they lose on bandwidth automatically due to interleaving between all 4 dimms even at the same frequency).

This thread here is in the AMD sub-forums. Ryzen can't do 4000 for memory without dropping the speed of the CPU's internal connections to half the speed. If you use 3600 or 3733 memory speeds on Ryzen, you can run the internal connections at that same 3600 or 3733 speed. If you increase memory speed to 4000, you have to drop to a 2000 speed for the internal connection. The clock speed limitation for that internal connection of the CPU starts being a problem at 3733 or 3800 memory speeds. Those are the highest speeds where you can still try to run it at full speed.
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This thread here is in the AMD sub-forums. Ryzen can't do 4000 for memory without dropping the speed of the CPU's internal connections to half the speed. If you use 3600 or 3733 memory speeds on Ryzen, you can run the internal connections at that same 3600 or 3733 speed. If you increase memory speed to 4000, you have to drop to a 2000 speed for the internal connection. The clock speed limitation for that internal connection of the CPU starts being a problem at 3733 or 3800 memory speeds. Those are the highest speeds where you can still try to run it at full speed.
hey, didn't realize this was in the amd subforums, my bad, I just clicked on the side bar.

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I bought 4000mhz ram modules. Without them, I cannot properly power 240hz at full ultra settings for the games I like to play. That's why people would buy them. None of the guides tell you what is actually required to power 240hz, they just let people buy the wrong stuff first. 3xxx with tight subs does not outperform 4000 with tight subs unless the 3xxx is a 2 dimm configuration and the 4000 is a 4 dimm configuration(referring to latency here, they lose on bandwidth automatically due to interleaving between all 4 dimms even at the same frequency).
I am really curious about your RAM performance.

Can u please upload your AIDA results where you can show your improved performance?

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I am really curious about your RAM performance.

Can u please upload your AIDA results where you can show your improved performance?

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