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New AMD build - looking for Feedback and suggestions

Building a rig for a coworker. Here is what I've come up with:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zxGjJb

- AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor
- MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
- G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
- Corsair H60 (2018) 57.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
- Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
- MSI GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card
- NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case
- Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
- 2 x Noctua NF-P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan

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CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 ($190)
Motherboard: MSi B450 Tomahawk MAX ($115)
RAM: Least expensive kit of Micron Rev.E you can find (usually $60-$75 for 2x8GB); set to 3600MHz and use the timings from the Ryzen DRAM calculator on the safe profile
Heatsink: Scythe Fuma 2 ($60)
SSD: Cheapest Phison E12 + Toshiba BiCS TLC drive you can find ($100-$120: current QLC drives are all awful and even as slow as HDDs in some scenarios)
GPU: Whatever RX 5700 you can get that has a decent aftermarket heatsink ($310 for the MSI Evoke RX 5700 right now)
Case: Phanteks P400A ($70-$75)
PSU: Any good 450W+ unit ($40-90 depending on if you go for Bronze or Gold)
Fans: Same. Use them as front intake. ($14 x 2)

~$1020 total (depends on sales)

CPU you can get a Ryzen 7 2700 instead ($150) or a Ryzen 5 1600 AF (12nm version of the Ryzen 5 1600 AE; it's effectively a Ryzen 5 2600 for $85). What you choose depends on how strapped for cash you are (in which case get the Ryzen 5 1600 AF), how much you benefit from having more cores/threads (Ryzen 7 2700), or how much you benefit from better single-core IPC (Ryzen 5 3600).

CPU heatsink I swapped to the Scythe Fuma 2. The H60 isn't particularly good and as with all CLCs they're an additional point of failure due to having a pump.

RAM I swapped to some Micron Rev.E which you'll try to overclock to 3600-3800MHz (depends on how lucky you are with your CPU's IMC; 3600 basically all Zen 2 desktop chips can hit while staying in 1:1 MCLK:FCLK. 3733 and 3800 require some luck). Get the Ryzen DRAM Calculator and copy paste the settings that gives you at a given memory frequency. It's very quick to do; basically no additional tuning required on your part.

For SSDs, the Phison E12 + Toshiba BiCS TLC drives are the best performers for the price. They'll hit 80-90% of the performance of the expensive drives like the WD Black SN750 or Samsung 970 EVO for 50-70% of the price. The other Silicon Motion SM2262EN drives like the HP EX920/950 don't do as well when they're full. Some benches from Anandtech:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14331...b-ssd-review/3

The Team MP34, Corsair Force MP510, and Silicon Power P34A80 are the clones that Anandtech has tested. The full list is in the SSD subforum.

GPU swapped to the RX 5700. It's a better performer than the 2060 in games on average. I'd only get the 2060 if you use a lot of CUDA accelerated programs like some CAD software or some ML software which doesn't have ROCm support like Tensorflow. The meager amount of RT cores on it doesn't make it useful for anything.

Case is a bit personal but I just swapped it to the P400A due to it having far better airflow than the H510.

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A single rad CLC cooler is going to be trash you might as well save the money stick with the stock cooler and spend money somewhere else rather than buying a worse cooler than the one you get for free with the CPU

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I might switch to a Ryzen 2700 and use any extra cash towards a beefier GPU. While budget conscious the 1k is not a strict upper limit.

As for GPU, I don't think I'll spring for a 5700 simply based on the many negative reviews.

As for RAM, I will stick with the cheaper option as my coworker won't be overclocking, and again any unused money can be put towards a better GPU.

Noted on the heatsink though - the H60 was indeed a poor choice. Personally I have the H80 V2 which works well due to the thicker radiator and is on par with the H100. I will say AI was a bit surprised when both replies I got here prompted me to do some reading on the topic of AIO H2O coolers and I found they are not more quiet. My impression was always that they are more or less on par with high end air coolers, but would perform quieter. In my personal rig I don't hear the pump at all though, and it's mainly the system fans I hear rather then pump or radiator fan. /anecdote

Good call on the SSD! I will indeed be going for the Pioneer.

Edit: I will be sticking with a beefier Power Supply as well to give him room for growth down the road. I think a Gold certified PSU is the way to go as it is more efficient and from the way I understand it should generate less heat.

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The 80 plus rating if you are not already aware not does automatically make anything better and there is stuff with 80 plus titanium ratings that are absolute garbage so that has nothing to do with quality

With that being said the TX is not a bad option if you dont care about some of the cables being fixed

As for the CLC coolers and no they are not more quiet they are more often than not much louder
https://www.overclock.net/forum/61-w...lc-cooler.html

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The stock cooler that comes with the 2700 is the weaker Stealth. I paired mine with the cooler that came with the R5 1600 - Spire - and it works great at stock. Also, using this cpu with a 5700XT. Both my XT and 5700 are reference and have zero issues. I think those with X570s are having a bit of an issue with Navis with regard to PCIe 4. They have to force 3.0.

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Thanks again for the input everyone! This is the list I ended up going with.

Some notes,

1. Following the advice I went with the Scythe FUMA 2 air cooler over an H60 or H80 water cooler. My primary guideline here was cost/ performance ratio.

2. I opted for an RTX 2060 mainly for reliability reasons. My coworker is inexperienced when it comes to PC and I wanted to ensure he has something that works reliably. Too many issues with the 5700 according to my research. When it works it works great but if you have issues then you better know how to properly troubleshoot, which he doesn't.

3. I stuck with the case we picked over the Phanteks. I had that case at one point and ended up returning it. My experience was that the airflow was the worst I've ever had using any case; It made my fans scream in agony, quite literally. We will see how things go with the H500i - airflow doesn't seem much better compared to the Phanteks but I am willing to give it a try, again based on anecdotal personal experience.

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You sure you weren't thinking of the original P400 and or P400S? The P400A is a full mesh front case.
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Quote: Originally Posted by 8bitG33k View Post
Building a rig for a coworker. Here is what I've come up with:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zxGjJb

- AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor
- MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
- G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
- Corsair H60 (2018) 57.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
- Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
- MSI GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card
- NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case
- Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
- 2 x Noctua NF-P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan
I Quite like this entire build.

The One Thing I ABSOLUTELY would Change out, is the Cooler. Trust me, don't do it. 120mm is not enough to Tame the 3600, you will regret that purchase.

Someone mentioned the Scythe Cooler, that would be an excellent low cost option. If you prefer water, but still want to save money, I would look at the Arctic 240mm or Bigger Cooler, they are often at great prices, and will give you NOTICEABLY better clocks on the 3600, while still keeping it cooler. So if that was the one thing I could change on that build, that would be it.

If this is for gaming, everything else you picked out is perfect. I would Stick with the 3600 if Gaming, the couple extra frames is worth it, If you however are doing some kind of productivity, then the 2700x is a viable option, as you get the 2 Extra cores, so depending on what you are doing, that might come in handy. But again, if only gaming, stick with the 3600. Literally everything else you picked out, are solid picks, if you were my client, I would insist you change the cooler, and would green light everything else.

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Thanks again for the input everyone! This is the list I ended up going with.

Some notes,

1. Following the advice I went with the Scythe FUMA 2 air cooler over an H60 or H80 water cooler. My primary guideline here was cost/ performance ratio.

2. I opted for an RTX 2060 mainly for reliability reasons. My coworker is inexperienced when it comes to PC and I wanted to ensure he has something that works reliably. Too many issues with the 5700 according to my research. When it works it works great but if you have issues then you better know how to properly troubleshoot, which he doesn't.

3. I stuck with the case we picked over the Phanteks. I had that case at one point and ended up returning it. My experience was that the airflow was the worst I've ever had using any case; It made my fans scream in agony, quite literally. We will see how things go with the H500i - airflow doesn't seem much better compared to the Phanteks but I am willing to give it a try, again based on anecdotal personal experience.
P400A Is actually an Excellent Case, same Fantastic Phanteks Build Quality, with a mesh front so ACTUALLY good airflow (I know Phanteks and Good Airflow Sounds like an Oxy Moron, but in this case its true)

Still, your case pick was solid, so if thats what you want, you won't be disappointed with it. Its airflow isn't the best either to be honest, but it does a good job cooling with Negative pressure, just be aware you will need to dust it more often, then a more conventional Positive Static Pressure Case.

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