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post #1221 of 1268 (permalink) Old 06-30-2020, 07:10 AM
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You can try modifying the AMD HP or 1usmus Universal according to this post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...and_fan_speed/

It may fix problems in idle.

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Ok, so it seems that im closing in performance wise.

Using:

Offset: -0.01875V
LLC: High
EDC: 1
PPT: 135
TDC: 90
Override: 75Mhz
Skalar: 10

Im maybe like 20 multicore points behind what im used to see in CB20. Should i decrease or increase values?

Dont know if it helps but when i was doing CB20 runs with my OLD settings i was capping out at 128W.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Yuke View Post
Ok, so it seems that im closing in performance wise.

Using:

Offset: -0.01875V
LLC: High
EDC: 1
PPT: 135
TDC: 90
Override: 75Mhz
Skalar: 10

Im maybe like 20 multicore points behind what im used to see in CB20. Should i decrease or increase values?

Dont know if it helps but when i was doing CB20 runs with my OLD settings i was capping out at 128W.
Very good, 20 points it's almost nothing!
Did you give a try with a higher boost clock?
Try what happens maybe with a 6-8x scalar.
About PPT it was probably higher due to the higher voltage.
Check with a bit higher or lower value.
I got the best CB20 results with PPT around 70-75% and TDC around 80-85% limit.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ManniX-ITA View Post
Very good, 20 points it's almost nothing!
Did you give a try with a higher boost clock?
Try what happens maybe with a 6-8x scalar.
About PPT it was probably higher due to the higher voltage.
Check with a bit higher or lower value.
I got the best CB20 results with PPT around 70-75% and TDC around 80-85% limit.
Ill try it, thanks!

Regarding Boost override: Everything over +50-75Mhz is getting ignored, regardless of Scalar.

I just hope the random crashes are gone with this...it seems there is also a connection to the "Vcore Current Protection" setting...my old settings almost immediately crash if i set it to Turbo/Extreme and seems to survive longer if set to Auto/Low level.

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I cant change the fact that my CPU just scales with insane voltage...

Tried out:

Offset: +0.01875V
LLC: Very Low
Current Protection: Low
EDC: 1
PPT: 0
TDC: 0
Override: 50Mhz
Skalar: 10

4 Cores at 4600Mhz

and destroyed my scores ._. + draw only 121W in CB20

It will probably crash anyway ._. 1.55V when PBO overdrive kicks in at lighty threaded loads.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Yuke View Post

It will probably crash anyway ._. 1.55V when PBO overdrive kicks in at lighty threaded loads.
That would be the actual voltage in light work loads with PBO on and it is 100% fine. AMD engineers know what they are doing, I am 100% sure of this.

What exactly are you trying to achieve with the tweak/bug, what do you think you are actually missing running Cinebench, Cinebench is really not a good metric on how your process works.
I highly doubt you got a bad 3800X.

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That would be the actual voltage in light work loads with PBO on and it is 100% fine. AMD engineers know what they are doing, I am 100% sure of this.

What exactly are you trying to achieve with the tweak/bug, what do you think you are actually missing running Cinebench, Cinebench is really not a good metric on how your process works.
I highly doubt you got a bad 3800X.
Im trying to achieve stability again after switchting to F12 BIOS, installing the latest Chipset drivers and changing to high performance powerplan. Best case without losing too much performance.

My 3800x is bad...the second i set PBO to boost over 4600 it crashes almost instantly. I have to limit it to +50Mhz PBO so it never goes over 4600Mhz on the 4 cores that are kinda okish.

I use CB20 for medium-high AVX loads. Those are about the same as the ones Borderlands3 uses when streaming in textures and in loading screens (as i mentioned before BL3 is Ryzen optimized i get up to 97% core+thread loads while gaming - outside loading screens).

Next to gaming i like using Geekbench for scores....its the only benchmark that shows consistent scores for me (less than 1% deltas). I cant use CPU-Z Benchmark as it gets scheduled on my weakest core...CB20 single core takes ages so i dont bother using it.

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Gigabyte Motherboard on there BIOS have a setting to set PBO boost as in over 4600Mhz and it crashes. This to me is confusing. I do not think motherboards have this kind of feature. Of course I could be wrong but I never seen this on a motherboard.

It sounds to me you have unstable motherboard with settings you are trying to achieve on the BIOS.
EG: Your PPT/TDC/EDC setting are not capable of running on your motherboard BIOS without crashing. Doubt it is the CPU. You can tell me to go pound sand and I will be fine with that also.Start over get a good base on what your CPU and Motherboard can do.

I suggest set everything to default and use the BIOS built in performance modes and check what the limits are in Ryzen Master. Then test your settings with Ryzen Master turned off before jumping to EDC tweak/bug. So establish a base for PPT/TDC/EDC then go from there.

I also suggest set your DDR4 Ram to a setting such as 2133Mhz for testing the enhanced/performance modes on the motherboard and also EDC tweak/bug.

EG: Screenshot I circled the differences on Ryzen Master between what the motherboard sets from default to enhanced/performance mode 4 for PPT/TDC/EDC

Default setting Blue Marks vs Enhanced mode 4 Red Marks -Setting in BIOS but shown in Ryzen Master what the values actually are.

OC mode
Setting=Default - Auto Overclocking

Boost override CPU
Default 0Mhz - 300Mhz

PPT-
Default 142w - 1000W

TCD-
Default 95A - 114A

EDC-
Default 140A - 180A

Scaler
Default -0X - 10X

Enhanced 4
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Gigabyte Motherboard on there BIOS have a setting to set PBO boost as in over 4600Mhz and it crashes. This to me is confusing. I do not think motherboards have this kind of feature. Of course I could be wrong but I never seen this on a motherboard.

It sounds to me you have unstable motherboard with settings you are trying to achieve on the BIOS.
EG: Your PPT/TDC/EDC setting are not capable of running on your motherboard BIOS without crashing. Doubt it is the CPU. You can tell me to go pound sand and I will be fine with that also.Start over get a good base on what your CPU and Motherboard can do.

I suggest set everything to default and use the BIOS built in performance modes and check what the limits are in Ryzen Master. Then test your settings with Ryzen Master turned off before jumping to EDC tweak/bug. So establish a base for PPT/TDC/EDC then go from there.

I also suggest set your DDR4 Ram to a setting such as 2133Mhz for testing the enhanced/performance modes on the motherboard and also EDC tweak/bug.

EG: Screenshot I circled the differences on Ryzen Master between what the motherboard sets from default to enhanced/performance mode 4 for PPT/TDC/EDC

Default setting Blue Marks vs Enhanced mode 4 Red Marks -Setting in BIOS but shown in Ryzen Master what the values actually are.

OC mode
Setting=Default - Auto Overclocking

Boost override CPU
Default 0Mhz - 300Mhz

PPT-
Default 142w - 1000W

TCD-
Default 95A - 114A

EDC-
Default 140A - 180A

Scaler
Default -0X - 10X

Enhanced 4

If i set boost override to +75Mhz two cores boost up to 4625Mhz and it crashes very fast. If i set it to +50Mhz it goes max 4600Mhz and doesnt crash, easy as that....i could try out lower scalar but i want to avoid this at all costs. This SKU is bottom of the barrel, pile of first release dog**** that needed 1.46V to even boot a 4.4Ghz all Core OC. It hardly passes as an 3800x, would be sold as 3700x today.

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If i set boost override to +75Mhz two cores boost up to 4625Mhz and it crashes very fast. If i set it to +50Mhz it goes max 4600Mhz and doesnt crash, easy as that....i could try out lower scalar but i want to avoid this at all costs. This SKU is bottom of the barrel, pile of first release dog**** that needed 1.46V to even boot a 4.4Ghz all Core OC. It hardly passes as an 3800x, would be sold as 3700x today.
Maybe I did not explain myself well enough for you to catch what I was trying to suggest, just trying to help you out.

AM4 Motherboards have performance modes ,which will run without adjusting anything in the BIOS. All adjustments are preset by Motherboard manufacture and will act according to the BIOS and Agesa you have installed,without crashing.
You can reread what I wrote and give it a shot,up to you.

My Motherboard has these performance modes,yours will be similar.
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