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Well if it makes a difference. I only started using it from BNIB RMA replacement about 2 years ago. I got it from an RMA and never used it. Just stuck it on a shelf in the garage until my HX620 started to die. So although it might be old in age it's not old in hours used if that makes a difference at all.
Wait is it the old version with the blue sticker or the newer version with the grey sticker?
There is a huge difference between the two like in 10 years newer and light years better

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Interesting. I was always under the impression that a cpu that is rated at a higher wattage draws more power and puts out more heat.
The rated TDPs are more or less meaningless and have been for the longest time. For example, the Ryzen 9 3950X is rated for 105W but it clearly doesn't pull 105W.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15043...with-pcie-40/2



Usually the higher SKUs use better bins of silicon which tend to have less leakage, hence they will usually outmatch the same bin of a lower part in terms of efficiency or peak clocks.
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MSI X570 Unify would be my choice for a motherboard in light of your considerations for quality and longevity.
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I think you'd be fine with the $189 3600 if you wanted a place holder that would save you some cash for Gpu/monitors. The 2600 at $119 would be a good "for now" option.
I do hit 80+ % cpu usage with DX12 on BFV with the 3600 to quote an extreme case.

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I kind of hate to say it, but I don't think I'd even consider the Navi's at this point in time . I just bought what is arguably considered the best 5700XT ( nitro + )and it's been a pain in the butt to get drivers installed and working without crashing. My son's MSI RTX 2080 gaming X trio has been plug and play by contrast. Considering your are wanting to drive 3x1440p and you like higher settings, you may want to consider something beefier than the 2060. Believe it or not, there are times where my ancient FX's can max out the RTX2080 on 1080p ( also quoting an extreme case) . Image quality seems to be Navi's only edge at the moment.
Have you considered simply going with an ultrawide 1440P ? The Viotek's seem to have decent reviews and are much more affordable than I realized.
example - https://www.amazon.com/Viotek-GN34CB...0344192&sr=8-4

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If you go with the 3xxx series I've had very good luck with these https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-...82E16820232861
Which have been rock stable in my son's 3600 build at XAMP settings.

I know it's tempting to piece in a 16 gb set at a time but ryzen is kinda touchy with ram to begin with and it might be a chore to match em later on. 10 years from now.... without some huge unforeseen change, I'm pretty sure you'll be needing more than 16 GB. ( hitting 12 + now in BFV)

OT many of my PLC workstation builds using the MSI NF 980 G 65's were recently retired ( sitewide upgrade of control systems) . They held up very very well, most of them running continously for 10 years in some really bad worksite conditions. The only failure was the sata controller on one of them - which happened at the same time a lightning strike took out several of the plc's on site.


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I generally have had decent luck with my choice of motherboards being consistently reliable and failure free which consisted of DFI NFR SLI- DR, ASUS M2N32 SLI Deluxe, Foxconn Destryer, MSI NF980-G65. Was just looking at high end motherboards are seeing the prices are friggn rediculouse. MSI x570 Godlike. It better be Godlike at a price tag nearing $700 after tax OMG. Forgive me father for I have sinned in thinking of buying a product with a name Godlike. Now let me go take a look at this Unify you mentioned.


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Your old 939 boards were keeping a single core or a dual core at most fed with power with a very antiquated CNQ implementation, Ryzen CPUs (can) have 16x the cores and the ability to change frequency and voltage and disable entire CCXes a couple hundred times a second based on load.

Building a capable VRM that doesn't have overshoot issues or that isn't too slow to react isn't cheap, lol. your money isn't going to nothing.

if you've got no intention of ever going for a 3900X or 3950X then you can get by with a decent B450 board with a 3700/3800X and be more than fine, just keep in mind you're also going to miss out on PCI-E 4.0 if you do.

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I never fall into a budget category "sorry" I will buy the system one piece at a time month to month if I have to in order to get the best bang for the buck in an attempt to get a good quality system that will last me another 10 years. I know 10 years is a long time for a build to last but hey if you don't overclock like me then the system should last a good while as long as good integrated circuits and components are used on boards chosen. With that said I always like to get MOBO CPU and RAM all at the same time to rule out any defective, incompatible or not desirable murch before return periods expire.
Ok. Fair enough... 10 years? That's quite a long time... I guess I'll simply recommend you the following then... Considering you're looking for best bang for buck independent of price...

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CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Best Buy)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard ($299.00 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($179.99 @ Newegg)
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Here's my reasoning...

R6 3600 will be fine for whatever you will throw at it at this point. It has more threads than you'll need or use and its plenty fast. To be viable for 10 years, I'd recommend you wait till the 4000 series is starting to be phased out, and re-upgrade the CPU to a full 16C/32T one, if you so desire.

I chose the X570 Taichi, simply because it's one of the best (if not the best) well-rounded board there is. I would have chosen the X470 Taichi instead since it's much cheaper, but I cannot guarantee that the R5 3600 will work on it out of the box. It is supported with a BIOS update, but unless the BIOS is already installed, you're gonna need an older CPU version to update the BIOS. To avoid all that hassle, I chose the $100 more expensive one. An alternative is to go for something that has a BIOS update function without being dependent on the CPU. A much cheaper MSI B450 Tomahawk at around $120 will do the trick, although you will be missing a few features, including the huge amount of PCI-E lanes that the X570 chipset comes with, which might be important if you're going to use your system for 10 years. Additionally, it might limit which newer CPUs you can upgrade to.

As for the RAM, you might as well go for 32GB at this point. RAM is not that expensive right now. Prices will most likely increase in the future, and so will RAM usage. I might be an exception, but, 16GB was just short for me by about 2GB about two years back, so, I bought 32GB for my Ryzen system.

For the storage, I went with a 1TB SSD for Windows and your applications, and a slow 4TB traditional HDD for storage of files and/or backup. I don't know your usage case, so, feel free to adapt as necessary.

For the graphics card, the 5700XT is the best value for money right now, bar none. If you want something more powerful, you'll have to ditch the idea of bang for buck, swallow your pride and overpay for an nVidia card. The 2070S is an alternative, although you would be paying $100+ for 5% performance improvement.

The case is a placeholder. I like it, but taste and needs are different, so, this one you can also adapt to suit your needs, be it a cheaper or more expensive or simply a different looking one.

The power supply is one of the best around, and at that price it's a good deal. I read that you already are going to use another one, so, that's fine. For now, I think 850W is enough for practically everything, including future upgrades. And this power supply comes with a 10 year warranty, the exact length you want to use your system for, so yeah.


Feel free to ask if you have any questions.

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I generally have had decent luck with my choice of motherboards being consistently reliable and failure free which consisted of DFI NFR SLI- DR, ASUS M2N32 SLI Deluxe, Foxconn Destryer, MSI NF980-G65. Was just looking at high end motherboards are seeing the prices are friggn rediculouse. MSI x570 Godlike. It better be Godlike at a price tag nearing $700 after tax OMG. Forgive me father for I have sinned in thinking of buying a product with a name Godlike. Now let me go take a look at this Unify you mentioned.
Yeah that's kind of obscene.....lol.

I caught a really good deal on the X570 MEG ACE for my son's build - love that thing . Didn't think you probably needed the RGB bling it has or I would have suggested it instead.

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TP I’m not sure I need PCIX 4 as a I don’t even know what it’s for other than faster speeds of something. Anytime there is a next gen slot it’s for speed. I just watched a couple of YouTube video’s of the Unify and I’m liking what I’m seeing so far. Thank you for pointing out what the cost of the Godlike pays for.



NA thank you for crushing my dreams of an upgrade and showing me just how much sticker shock I’m looking at. Naturally you built an entire system when I’m just upgrading specific hardware. Mobo, CPU, RAM, GPU And now possibly the PowSuply. Yes I might end up taking a while to upgrade my GPU as I still would want the 3 monitors and with out the right GPU it’s pointless to buy 3 monitors. “ palm to my face “. I’m obsoarbing all this and realizing why I don’t upgrade every few years to keep up with all the cool kids. Good upgrades are not cheap.



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Your old 939 boards were keeping a single core or a dual core at most fed with power with a very antiquated CNQ implication, Ryzen CPUs (can) have 16x the cores and the ability to change frequency and voltage and disable entire CCXes a couple hundred times a second based on load.

Building a capable VRM that doesn't have overshoot issues or that isn't too slow to react isn't cheap, lol. your money isn't going to nothing.

if you've got no intention of ever going for a 3900X or 3950X then you can get by with a decent B450 board with a 3700/3800X and be more than fine, just keep in mind you're also going to miss out on PCI-E 4.0 if you do.
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Especially in an industry where we can objectively determine differences in performance there's very little reason to go off of anecdotal experience or brand loyalty. Technology changes fast as well compared to other industries so any manufacturer can quickly become better or worse over the span of 1 generation. For example, MSi's original motherboards for the Ryzen 1000 chips were awful but now they're considered to be the best across several pricing segments.

PCIe 4.0 isn't very useful for the general public unless all you do is disk-hammering workloads in which a PCIe 4.0 SSD would be an advantage over a PCIe 3.0 one, but right now those drives cost an arm and a leg. Unless you work in video or audio production, you won't see any tangible improvements. For everyday use you basically can't tell the difference between a good SATA SSD and a good PCIe 3.0 x4 SSD.

Edit: For reference, single GPUs have only recently maxed out PCIe 3.0 x8 and that's only at the very high end.

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