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Seeking Ryzen Upgrade path suggestions.

I believe it's time for a system upgrade:

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OS: Win7 Ult X64
MOBO: MSI NF980-G65
CPU: Ph II X4 955BE
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1333Mhz ( 4 x 2 GB )
GPU: Powercolor R9 380 4GB


Reason for wanting to upgrade. I recently started getting back into gaming again "mainly Sim Racing RFactor, Rally etc" and am wanting to go with a 3 monitor set up in an attempt to give me the most realistic cockpit view and feel. I have not been paying much attention to what's what in computers since my last build listed above so I'm not sure of any specific hardware to look at. I did jump into a thread that was talking about AMD's 3900x and Nvidia's GTX 2080 Ti which would be nice but I have to face the hard fact that I'm not rich and have so many things I can and would like to spend my money on. With that said I know I want a solid reliable Mobo in the Ryzen platform.

CPU:

I was looking at the 3700x vs the 3800x and the 3800x only gains 100Mhz over the 3700 at a cost of 40 watts of power. Sure the extra 100Mhz would be nice for just a couple dollars more but in the long run the extra heat it will put out and energy it will draw from the mobo makes me think the little performance gain is not worth it in the long run. Is there a 65w 3800x that I am not aware of? I'm not much into overclocking these days and prefer to keep my system running as cool and quiet as possible.

Mobo:

I want to get just about the best mobo I can get but not the most expensive if that makes any sense. In the past I have dealt with ASUS, DFI, MSI and Foxconn. DFI is out of the equation as is Foxconn. Out of MSI and ASUS I prefer ASUS because of my past experience with them in dealing with issues. I have had s couple issues with mother boards and GPU's and had a hard time or two getting the issues resolved but in the end I remained calm and diligent and ASUS always took care of me in the end. Another reason for like ASUS is they are always giving good bios updates as far as I know. I know in 10 years a lot can change with in company structures and customer service experience. I don't think I want to go MSI but an not totally against it atm. I have heard soem bad stories if Mossfets burning up in the past on some MSI boards. I've also heard horror stories about Gigabyte and ASRock boards being defective and customer service stiffing the consumer. Are there any other very reputable board manufactures other than ASUS that I should be giving a serious look at. I want to have max power available on the board to produce clean consistent power to the cpu and ram with out stressing or over heading the main board components.

RAM:

I don't know what is better between running 2x 8gb sticks with slower timings or running 4x 4gb sticks with faster timings with regards to stressing the CPU memory controller and keeping the system running cooler. Do I really need more than 16GB of ram. I mean I'm using 8gb of ram now and I never had any issues with running out of ram until I got the 4gb G9 380 GPU. Does the amount of ram on the GPU effect the usage of the System RAM?

GPU:

I may wait on this upgrade until I can determine if the one in my system at the moment is defective or not. Been having some issues with it. Drivers stop responding or working, system locking up and giving a green screen during lock up and the occasional blue screen memory dump. All signs of a problem somewhere which I have not taken the time to diagnose yet. Been too busy doing other things. The Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super looks like a good performer vs price point but I don't know if it is capable of running 3 monitors in the Racing Sims with high settings at 1440 and 140+ refresh rates. I don't have the money at the moment to plop down on everything all at once and the GPU is the biggest ticket item in most hi end gaming builds so this is another reason this one may have to wait a while.

My thoughts atm:

As with any system the chosen components have to sing together harmoniously with out creating any major data rate road blocks " bottle necks " and choosing the right components for the task at hand is where I am at. Not knowing what does what and why makes it a little puzzling atm for me to choose the right parts for my upgrade path. I am open to all suggestions even the Intel fanboys even though I'm not going that route and never will. Sorry Intel your a dirty dirty company that don't play fair. Any way, please fire away with your thoughts if you will.



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Dont you need a new PSU or are you going to re-use whatever you have already?

The 3800x is an overclocked 3700x so its not worth the extra money you can overclock the 3700x yourself for free
As for the motherboard Asus quality control has taken a nosedive and when i was building last year i had two broken Asus X570 Crosshair VIII Hero boards before i got fed up and bought Asrock

For RAM you should be looking at a 3600 MHz CL16 kit
For 1440P you should be looking at an RTX 2070 Super the 2060 Super if fine for old and/or less demanding games but not for newer and/or more demanding games

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Edit: you also want to upgrade to Windows 10 by the way as Windows 7 is now dead and gone you can re-use your old Windows 7 key and you can download Windows 10 for free on the MS website so there is no excuse not to

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If you give me a target budget I'll post a system as suggestion.
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I think for what you are trying to do, a Ryzen 5 3600 is cheaper and will suite you fine. You can pay for the more expensive 3700x, but the extra two cores and four threads are not likely to be realized in any of your racing games.

For intel, the 9600k is a good pick. If you are trying to reach super high frame rates, than intel chips, when overclocked, are still better. A 9600k at 4.8ghz+ is a great CPU for pure gaming. The 9600k is a six core with no hyper threading, but you likely won't miss those extra six threads anyway.

Finally, for a really aggressive budget option, the 3500x is there. It is a china only version of the R5 3600 with hyper threading disabled and slightly lower boost clocks. You can find it on ali express for 120$, and it will play games just fine.

If you have a ultra wide monitor with a high resolution and high refresh rates, then you can make a good argument for a GTX 2080 super, but a used 1080 ti is a much better value proposition. I don't know of any racing games that utilize RTX at the moment. On the AMD side, a 5700XT is a pretty good card, but it runs really hot.

16gb of RAM is fine.

The only thing I would add to that list is a NVME boot drive. The Samsung 970 pro is really fast. The intel 660p is a good value option.
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The only thing I would add to that list is a NVME boot drive. The Samsung 970 pro is really fast. The intel 660p is a good value option.
The 970 Evo is overpriced and the 660P is slower than a HDD is some use cases so none are all that great
Any of the drives on this list is better than the 660P and almost as good but way cheaper than a 970 Evo https://www.overclock.net/forum/355-...2-toshiba.html

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Power Supply:

I will recycle and use my HX1000 for power supply. I may upgrade that later on down the road to save on energy costs.

CPU:

Does the 3700x come with the same cooler as the 3800x? I am currently using a Zalman 3700 and don't want to go purchasing extra coolers and fans for a new build. Maybe later on I will buy new fans to quiet my system down a bit. PC Case is on old Antec 900. It works for now. No it's not my dream case but it was cost effective when I got it and it still looks ok and does the job. I don't ever think I'll want or have a need for H2O cooling so no extra fancy expensive case will be needed.

OS:

I'm not quite on the win10 bandwagon just yet. I'll have to learn more about it. When it was first released every one was dissing it because of how intrusive it is. With out knowing that much about it " as I dismissed it because of that " I am under the belief that no matter how much you disable features of the OS they always find a way to re-enable them with out your knowledge or permission rendering you vulnerable again. It's a big game I don't want to play with my OS atm.

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If you give me a target budget I'll post a system as suggestion.
I never fall into a budget category "sorry" I will buy the system one piece at a time month to month if I have to in order to get the best bang for the buck in an attempt to get a good quality system that will last me another 10 years. I know 10 years is a long time for a build to last but hey if you don't overclock like me then the system should last a good while as long as good integrated circuits and components are used on boards chosen. With that said I always like to get MOBO CPU and RAM all at the same time to rule out any defective, incompatible or not desirable murch before return periods expire.

MG729 I tend to keep a lot of browser windows open and also stream youtube videos for music and extra entertainment while playing games etc. I rarely close all the windows before gaming but lately with the G9 380 GPU I have to so my rig does not crash on me .

Monitor:

I don't have any monitors yet. I'm using my 65" TV as my monitor atm but plan to get 3 monitors that have high refresh rates and capable of 1440p resolution. not sure what size monitors I need yet to accomplish my end goal. 35's would be nice but use a big foot print so 27's might be better suited. It all boils down to what is going to give me the most realistic feel while siting in the sim Cockpit I have yet to custom build.

Storage:

I am currently running a Samsung or WD HDD I can't recal atm and am aware that SSD's or what ever the latest greatest fastest storage hardware is atm would be light years ahead as far as data read write speeds. I'm not familiar with pricing of those at the moment and last I knew they are quite pricey for only a little bit of storage. Other concern is storing my game library on the boot OS. I'm not familiar with how to move games from a slower storage to faster and vice versa and keep the game working with out loosing the link the game is suppose to point to in order to run. My biggest fear here is of the unknown LOL.

GPU:

I mentioned the RTX 2060 Super because of an article I was reading online. https://www.pcgamer.com/best-graphics-card-deals-today/

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5. Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super

The best graphics card for 1440p and 144hz FHD performance

GPU Cores: 2,176 | Base Clock: 1,470MHz | Boost Clock: 1,650MHz | GFLOPS: 7,181 | Memory: 8GB GDDR6 | Memory Clock: 14 GT/s | Memory Bandwidth: 448GB/s
Great for 1080p and 1440p gaming
Affordably priced RTX features
Effectively replaces the 2070 for $100 less
Extremely iterative

The best graphics card isn't simply the fastest graphics card, or the cheapest graphics card. Instead, the best graphics card needs to balance performance, price, and features. There are many great graphics cards, but for a great GPU that won't break the bank, Nvidia's RTX 2060 Super is probably the best option. It delivers performance roughly equal to a vanilla RTX 2070 but retails for $100 less.

If you want to play games at 1080p or 1440p on a 144Hz display, the RTX 2060 has the chops to handle most games at close to high to ultra quality. It's more powerful than a 1080 but costs less, and is nearly twice as fast as an RX 570.

For DXR and ray tracing games, 1080p with DLSS often works well, and in a few cases 1440p with DLSS. Don't be shy about turning the ray tracing setting down a notch as well, as in most games so far there's not much visual difference between ultra and high quality DXR modes.



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TDP is not power consumption and a 3800X is not just an OCed 3700X.

Check out the AMD Ryzen thread and Silicon Lottery's binning results.

3700X - 4.05GHz - 1.237V - 100%
3700X - 4.10GHz - 1.250V - Top 74%
3700X - 4.15GHz - 1.262V - Top 21%

3800X - 4.20GHz - 1.275V - 100%
3800X - 4.25GHz - 1.287V - Top 53%
3800X - 4.30GHz - 1.300V - Top 20%

https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics

the 3800X hits higher clocks and hits the same clocks with less voltage, so unless you're going to leave the CPU completely stock the 3800X would use less power than a 3700X at the same clocks.

if 150mhz or a 100mv reduction in voltage is gonna mean anything to you or not is up to you but AMD is binning, unlike Intel.

Intel i9 9900K Coffee Lake @ X8 5309mhz (+47.5%)
AMD FX-8320 Vishera @ X4 5022mhz (+43.5%)
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The HX1000 is old and its also the least reliable PSU Corsair has ever sold it has long history of causing problems with old age and its not even a true 1000 watt its two 500 watt units slapped together
Even if it was not so unreliable its a 12 year old PSU so you should not be re-using it no matter what sory but its time for a new PSU

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Interesting. I was always under the impression that a cpu that is rated at a higher wattage draws more power and puts out more heat.
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The HX1000 is old and its also the least reliable PSU Corsair has ever sold it has long history of causing problems with old age and its not even a true 1000 watt its two 500 watt units slapped together
Even if it was not so unreliable its a 12 year old PSU so you should not be re-using it no matter what sory but its time for a new PSU
Well if it makes a difference. I only started using it from BNIB RMA replacement about 2 years ago. I got it from an RMA and never used it. Just stuck it on a shelf in the garage until my HX620 started to die. So although it might be old in age it's not old in hours used if that makes a difference at all.


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