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You're already @ 4.5-ish with it. Unless you're ready to go 0 degrees or lower, that's about all she's got, captain.

Icewater or DICE or an SS would be a way to get more speed.
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Something better than what? You already said your cooler works well with fans on low. If you want it to run cooler turn the fans up.



Seriously though, an AIO will run cooler for about 5 mins then the heatsoak will equalize everything. Your limit is not your cooler it's your chip. Work on keeping it as cool as possible using the lowest amount of total watts. Adjust your fan curve more agressively and experiment with different cpu fan. Lap your cooler.
Hmm it's not like this exactly. The HAF932 has big but low rpm fans and they can't go higher then 600-650rpm. And also I don't want more noise.
Also, probably you don't know it, but Mugen Rev.B is a low rpm cooler. It doesn't go higher than 1200rpm, so it gives everything it has and can't handle the heavy load that brings the heat at 85-90 degrees during heavy benching. But I can't complain for a 50euro cooler. During gaming I have never seen more than 50-55 degrees, which is great, but the benching is what brings the cpu at it's limits.

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You're already @ 4.5-ish with it. Unless you're ready to go 0 degrees or lower, that's about all she's got, captain.

Icewater or DICE or an SS would be a way to get more speed.
Well u know how it is during benching.
If the extra 50mhz can get a bit more stable and run more benchmarks, then it's worth the trouble.
For example I can't run CB20 at clocks higher then 4.400mhz. But SuperPi, Wprime etc can handle till 4.500mhz.
So my goal is to push something extra for all of them. Recently I have seen my PC booting at 4.600mhz, but during the first Superpi 1m bench it just restarted.
I think thee is still some potential there, but the heat is blocking the way. And as this is my daily CPU, I can't rely on exotic cooling solutions. I need something more stable.

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Thanks for the long analysis, but u have missed one point. I already use the Mugen Rev. B cooler and I am pretty happy till the ocing of 4.500-4.550mhz that I can get, but I believe to go even higher, I will need something better.
I did misunderstand your point. I thought you were asking whether it's worth buying or not.

Your problem is that you are already at the limit of your chip. Most 3600's cant even read the speeds you have reached, so pushing it higher will require a lot more voltage, which will degrade your chip as it's not meant to take such amount of VCore.

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I did misunderstand your point. I thought you were asking whether it's worth buying or not.

Your problem is that you are already at the limit of your chip. Most 3600's cant even read the speeds you have reached, so pushing it higher will require a lot more voltage, which will degrade your chip as it's not meant to take such amount of VCore.

It should be fine for some quick benchmarks but if you keep doing benchmarks all day then...

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It should be fine for some quick benchmarks but if you keep doing benchmarks all day then...
I wouldn't even risk that as thermal density is very high and the smaller the fabs become the higher the chance of failure.

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The cheapest way to get colder for benching would be to use mother nature. Could be as simple as opening a window, turning the heat source to room off, closing the door and waiting overnight. to more over the top solutions, (plenty of thread on the subject here). Then again it's dependent on your climate.
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The cheapest way to get colder for benching would be to use mother nature. Could be as simple as opening a window, turning the heat source to room off, closing the door and waiting overnight. to more over the top solutions, (plenty of thread on the subject here). Then again it's dependent on your climate.
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I just ordered a new case last week (nzxt h710) and while my plan was to just move everything over to the new case plus more add more fans for better airflow, I finally decided to try the AIO route. I still going to keep my D15 but I ordered the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 for my R5 3600x. Also got extra fans to setup a push/pull top exit. Right now with a Noctua I get about 65c while gaming, idle/browse the web at 35-40c with the occasional spike to 45c. P95 small ftt about 30 minutes in its at 85-88c, Cinebench R20 never gets over 71c. I read the temps from HWinfo64 Tctl/Tdie. My voltage is auto (1usmus power plan), OC tuner is on manual so I can lock the bclk to 100 for my memory overclock, on auto or default it would go to 100.600 or something like that. I will check back in with you on the temps if there is a big difference after I get my new parts in.

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I just ordered a new case last week (nzxt h710) and while my plan was to just move everything over to the new case plus more add more fans for better airflow, I finally decided to try the AIO route. I still going to keep my D15 but I ordered the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 for my R5 3600x. Also got extra fans to setup a push/pull top exit. Right now with a Noctua I get about 65c while gaming, idle/browse the web at 35-40c with the occasional spike to 45c. P95 small ftt about 30 minutes in its at 85-88c, Cinebench R20 never gets over 71c. I read the temps from HWinfo64 Tctl/Tdie. My voltage is auto (1usmus power plan), OC tuner is on manual so I can lock the bclk to 100 for my memory overclock, on auto or default it would go to 100.600 or something like that. I will check back in with you on the temps if there is a big difference after I get my new parts in.
65 degrees with a D15??
Something doesn't seem right.
Either your airflow is bad or some extra heat is taking place for no obvious reason.

I am playing Just Cause 4, Division 2 at high settings with Auto boost for my 3600x reaching 4.4ghz as maximum clocks and I never had more than 55 degrees with a simple Mugen Rev.B cooler.

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