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post #21 of 57 (permalink) Old 04-25-2020, 09:05 AM
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Just out of curiosity what temps and voltages are you getting with p95 small ftt, does it down clock? I can manual oc to 4.3 and run a few CB passes but anytime I try p95 I get instant reboot even at 4.2. I know my case sucks for airflow but it’s been about that same temp since I started messing with aftermarket cooling. The stock wraith cooler it would see 80c after a 3-4 hour AC Odyssey or SOTTR. With the D15 there really isn’t any room for my parts to breathe with the cooler taking up most of the space in my nzxt h500. It runs 140mm exhaust up top with 120mm exhaust at the rear, with 2 140mm for intakes, I also have a temp sensor about sitting behind the red cable management bar and it usually reads 26-31c depending how warm my pc room gets. Some games like when I play iracing for a few hours true temp barely goes over 55c but then again the cpu is only like 30%load with a few overlays and apps running in the background, I played some warzone last night and I was at 68c


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Quote: Originally Posted by BIRDMANv84 View Post
Just out of curiosity what temps and voltages are you getting with p95 small ftt, does it down clock? I can manual oc to 4.3 and run a few CB passes but anytime I try p95 I get instant reboot even at 4.2. I know my case sucks for airflow but it’s been about that same temp since I started messing with aftermarket cooling. The stock wraith cooler it would see 80c after a 3-4 hour AC Odyssey or SOTTR. With the D15 there really isn’t any room for my parts to breathe with the cooler taking up most of the space in my nzxt h500. It runs 140mm exhaust up top with 120mm exhaust at the rear, with 2 140mm for intakes, I also have a temp sensor about sitting behind the red cable management bar and it usually reads 26-31c depending how warm my pc room gets. Some games like when I play iracing for a few hours true temp barely goes over 55c but then again the cpu is only like 30%load with a few overlays and apps running in the background, I played some warzone last night and I was at 68c


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At P95 I can hit 85-90 degrees at 4.3-4.4ghar.
CB20 has no issues running many times at 4.4ghz, but I get also temps at around 85 degrees.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post

Seriously though, an AIO will run cooler for about 5 mins then the heatsoak will equalize everything.


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Hey guys,
I need some advice if I should really bother investing on a better cooling solution or not. Actually I was considering the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240.
I have a HAF932 case with plenty of space and a 3600x with a Mugen Rev.B cooler, which I bought 2 months ago. This system is pretty silent and even at full load, I can't say that I am hearing much of a noise, as all fans run on low rpm. I live at a warm country where from April till November the room temperature is between 22 and 26 degrees.

Some Ocing is there when I don't game with stock boost till 4.4ghz.
My daily/gaming voltage is with an offset that reaches 1.32v maximum. My temps are around 35 degrees at idle and at 55 during gaming.

While benching, I have another setup with fixed Ocing till 4.550mhz at 1.46v.
My temps then can reach 85-90 degrees at full load.

So, the real question is, can I expect some important lower temperatures at full load? Because if it's for 2-3 degrees, then it won't worth the investment of around 100euro.

I wouldn't bother TBH - your temps are good so why bother. also don't run a 3600 at 1.46v you'll break it.
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I wouldn't bother TBH - your temps are good so why bother. also don't run a 3600 at 1.46v you'll break it.
Well yes and no.
My temps are good for everyday gaming use, but not for benching. It's ok if you don't get it, not many people enjoy pushing their CPU to the limits.
And till now, my CPU seems to be ok when I bench at 1.46v.

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Well yes and no.
My temps are good for everyday gaming use, but not for benching. It's ok if you don't get it, not many people enjoy pushing their CPU to the limits.
And till now, my CPU seems to be ok when I bench at 1.46v.

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You're still going to degrade your chip running 1.46v through it. You're currently 4th place in frequency with LN2 above you, an AIO isn't going to get you better than LN2. You'll have to go sub ambient to better your other scores too.

There is also no need to be a fanny about it either.
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I had such poor reliability luck with AIO units I wont buy them any more. I have owned five. All crapped out eventually. Meanwhile, my D5 I am still using in my main rig is getting close to 15 years old and works fine. Plus the cooling is not really any better on most AIO units than a top tier air cooler. At this point, I only recommend custom looks for water or a really good air cooler. Just do some googling about AIO cooler failure. Many get filled with gunk inside, dry ant but can not be filled. Or, can be filled but have no easy way to monitor the level like a typical custom loop.

It is your money and time, so do as you wish. I only make my points based on my experience and observations. I was pretty gung-ho for AIO in the beginning. Now, I won't touch them.
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I had such poor reliability luck with AIO units I wont buy them any more. I have owned five. All crapped out eventually. Meanwhile, my D5 I am still using in my main rig is getting close to 15 years old and works fine. Plus the cooling is not really any better on most AIO units than a top tier air cooler. At this point, I only recommend custom looks for water or a really good air cooler. Just do some googling about AIO cooler failure. Many get filled with gunk inside, dry ant but can not be filled. Or, can be filled but have no easy way to monitor the level like a typical custom loop.

It is your money and time, so do as you wish. I only make my points based on my experience and observations. I was pretty gung-ho for AIO in the beginning. Now, I won't touch them.
I understand your point of view. If also I had a bad experience with them, I would stay away.
But my knowledge till now around watercooling comes from custom made loops. We are talking for handpicked elements (block, radiator, pump etc) and using such a system for around 8 years through 3 different PC setups and never having any leak.

Nowadays with these sealed AIO systems all risks are simply out of the picture and in my case it looks as there are 3 scenarios:
1) stay with the current Mugen cooler, but nothing will change with my bench scores
2) Change to an aircooler. To do that I must spend around 100euro or more to get the best aircooler, but probably also the noise will increase
3) Change to watercooling. The performance will be similar to the best air cooler, but with less noise for sure and also will less money, as I have found the AF II 240 at 85 euro with shipping from Germany.

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Hey guys

Does anyone know this company?
https://www.facebook.com/AquatuningUK/

I found the AIO there but I don't know if they are a trusted company.

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Dont bother with an AIO.

It wont extend your sustained max clock speeds for enough time vs the amount of money you will spend.

The only way ANY sort of watercooler may help is if you have a waterblock that has enough surface area across the dies and has very very thin fins to distribute the heat output.

The air coolers that have several heat pipes and those heatpipes align with the position of the cpu dies are the best cooling solution vs price per buck for cooling Ryzen.

The only reason in my opinion to go WC is to reduce noise.

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