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post #1 of 57 (permalink) Old 04-22-2020, 12:03 AM - Thread Starter
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Is AIO worth it for 3600x @4.4Ghz with Mugen Rev.B?

Hey guys,
I need some advice if I should really bother investing on a better cooling solution or not. Actually I was considering the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240.
I have a HAF932 case with plenty of space and a 3600x with a Mugen Rev.B cooler, which I bought 2 months ago. This system is pretty silent and even at full load, I can't say that I am hearing much of a noise, as all fans run on low rpm. I live at a warm country where from April till November the room temperature is between 22 and 26 degrees.

Some Ocing is there when I don't game with stock boost till 4.4ghz.
My daily/gaming voltage is with an offset that reaches 1.32v maximum. My temps are around 35 degrees at idle and at 55 during gaming.

While benching, I have another setup with fixed Ocing till 4.550mhz at 1.46v.
My temps then can reach 85-90 degrees at full load.

So, the real question is, can I expect some important lower temperatures at full load? Because if it's for 2-3 degrees, then it won't worth the investment of around 100euro.

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Why not the 280?
Because the 280 is 1/3 more expensive at Amazon UK and the difference in performance is very small between these 2 units.
Anyway, I wouldn't consider paying so much.

If it's really worth it, the 240 at 69pounds is the max I want to spend.

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I don't think an AIO is worth it, unless you are getting a 3900 or 3950. Otherwise a PH-TC14PE or NH-D14 are still the best coolers for the price. Where I am the TC14PE is cheaper and only a few degrees cooler than the NH-D15 so I'd get that if I didn't have my Swiftech 220X aleady, which happens to be the best AIO you can get as the pump is pretty good, the radiator is copper and the waterblock isn't entirely rubbish (unlike Corsair).

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I don't think an AIO is worth it, unless you are getting a 3900 or 3950. Otherwise a PH-TC14PE or NH-D14 are still the best coolers for the price. Where I am the TC14PE is cheaper and only a few degrees cooler than the NH-D15 so I'd get that if I didn't have my Swiftech 220X aleady, which happens to be the best AIO you can get as the pump is pretty good, the radiator is copper and the waterblock isn't entirely rubbish (unlike Corsair).
So u believe that I won't see higher clocks with my 3600x even if I buy any AIO.
Or u don't like the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240?

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(Higher end) AIO's shine when they have to cool hundreds of Watts of heat, something your 3600X will never produce. There was a chart somewhere that showed that these coolers begin to shine once they need to cool 3-400W of heat, which is why overclockers use water to cool the 9900K(FC) or the 3900, 3950 or higher end CPU's. Your 3600X will barely produce 100W, and any decent air cooler will easily dissipate that much heat. I got my 220X because I live in a hot climate and I needed to cool an FX8320 running at 4.5 with a very high VCore. I am not sure whether you're familiar with those chips at all but they can easily produce 300W of heat when overclocked.

My next CPU will be something equal to a 3600-3700, thus I wouldn't get the same cooler I got as I won't need to dissipate such amounts of heat. I would definitely get a TC14PE due to price and where I am a TC14PE costs 40 USD. That's just unbeatable for the price, considering that it's equal to the D14, which is 2C hotter than the D15.

If you are price constrained I highly recommend that you use the stock cooler that comes with the CPU, as many people on these boards use the stock cooler. There are two situations in which you would need something better: you overclock to the max or your ambient temperatures are hot due to living in a hot climate. However, as BPO is the preferred way of overclocking these chips you're better off saving the money and spending it on something that will give you a tangible difference: better GPU or board, more RAM or a higher capacity SSD. You could even get a new screen or something else that will improve your experience.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Liranan View Post
(Higher end) AIO's shine when they have to cool hundreds of Watts of heat, something your 3600X will never produce. There was a chart somewhere that showed that these coolers begin to shine once they need to cool 3-400W of heat, which is why overclockers use water to cool the 9900K(FC) or the 3900, 3950 or higher end CPU's. Your 3600X will barely produce 100W, and any decent air cooler will easily dissipate that much heat. I got my 220X because I live in a hot climate and I needed to cool an FX8320 running at 4.5 with a very high VCore. I am not sure whether you're familiar with those chips at all but they can easily produce 300W of heat when overclocked.

My next CPU will be something equal to a 3600-3700, thus I wouldn't get the same cooler I got as I won't need to dissipate such amounts of heat. I would definitely get a TC14PE due to price and where I am a TC14PE costs 40 USD. That's just unbeatable for the price, considering that it's equal to the D14, which is 2C hotter than the D15.

If you are price constrained I highly recommend that you use the stock cooler that comes with the CPU, as many people on these boards use the stock cooler. There are two situations in which you would need something better: you overclock to the max or your ambient temperatures are hot due to living in a hot climate. However, as BPO is the preferred way of overclocking these chips you're better off saving the money and spending it on something that will give you a tangible difference: better GPU or board, more RAM or a higher capacity SSD. You could even get a new screen or something else that will improve your experience.
Thanks for the long analysis, but u have missed one point. I already use the Mugen Rev. B cooler and I am pretty happy till the ocing of 4.500-4.550mhz that I can get, but I believe to go even higher, I will need something better.

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Thanks for the long analysis, but u have missed one point. I already use the Mugen Rev. B cooler and I am pretty happy till the ocing of 4.500-4.550mhz that I can get, but I believe to go even higher, I will need something better.

If you want an AIO I am sure it will do somewhat better. I know my Corsair H115i Platinum 280 and even the EVGA CLC 280 before it handles my 3900X better than a Noctua NH-D15 that I had for my 3900X. I run the whole EDC Bug trick on it and can easily pull 220 Watts of power on it if I was to run P95, otherwise it is around 180 W at 100%. The AIO does a better job in this case that the Noctua could. It keeps the CPU below 90C during a long run of P95. The Noctua would be at the 95 limit within minutes. Now I know that is no where near a normal load and I just use it as an example. But it gaming my CPU rarely goes above 50C with this cooler, if ever.

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Thanks for the long analysis, but u have missed one point. I already use the Mugen Rev. B cooler and I am pretty happy till the ocing of 4.500-4.550mhz that I can get, but I believe to go even higher, I will need something better.

Something better than what? You already said your cooler works well with fans on low. If you want it to run cooler turn the fans up.



Seriously though, an AIO will run cooler for about 5 mins then the heatsoak will equalize everything. Your limit is not your cooler it's your chip. Work on keeping it as cool as possible using the lowest amount of total watts. Adjust your fan curve more agressively and experiment with different cpu fan. Lap your cooler.

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OP, generally speaking your question has merit but in actuality in a forum situation your answers are going to suspect to biases when you are basing your cooling question on ambient solutions. In the end buying the part and trying is your only real answer, all silicon is different (way to many variables in your original question)..

I use a chiller to bench with and have cpus that respond to as little as 2c reduction in temp and others that won't show improvement between the warmest and coldest temp I use (same name on the cpu, fluid rated at -15c). I also see a comment about noise my dog won't come in the room when I have the cooling at full tilt.
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