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Quote: Originally Posted by rares495 View Post
You probably need to play with proc_ODT and cad_bus values a bit.

Can you elaborate... for what timings? I've already tried the 3 recommended "alt" ones there -- all do jack ****...
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Can you elaborate... for what timings? I've already tried the 3 recommended "alt" ones there -- all do jack ****...
@Veii can help with these. They didn't do anything for me either.

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Thanks but yours are single rank, 16gb b-die known to be "the best", mine are dual rank, 32gb, micron e-Rev. Not the same stuff...

There's literally no advice in the thread your thread, you basically copied someone else's config, ran it, it was stable... I am not sure how I am supposed to transfer that to my situation to fix my crashes...?

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What rares posted + did you try the safe option instead of the fast option? and try putting everything manually into the Dram calculator instead of importing xmp.

And giving a the cmos a clear like I mentioned earlier was a big help for a lot.

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@negativefusion i'll try to walk you through a bit later in the day
Let's see when we both are activate

You have to keep in mind, manual import mode reported awkward results couple of times already, while R-XMP provides done presets
These have to work unless something else is critically wrong on your side
Buildzoids recommendations are recommendations for enthusiasts
He will recommend best bang for buck, but not easy to manage to get to work kits

If timings mismatch, you should get post issues or instant bluescreens
To what I can read its more setup related and a bit user related
The dimms should be fine, difference is ~ Intel timing names have a bit of a different naming scheme than on amd
And on Intel you relay the memory controller to perfectly predict everything and just fix RTLs

On amd you have to do all the work by yourself as everything is unlocked
But prediction is still a bit immature
After all Intel's 14nm memory controller had 5-6 years to improve
AMD is only a subtle bit to blame because of funny bios bugs, but not much more
They are twice as fast on development
Nor is DRAM Calculator to blame, well also only a tiny tiny bit

ProcODT has to stay low, dual rank kits are a bit taxing but not to the memory controller
It still remains best practice to use the spilled out RTT & ProcODT values of the calculator and get an R-XMP Safe profile to run under 3600MT/s

At the same time lower every voltage and impedance you can, except RTT values
Cad_bus depends on your current running bios, soo start with 30-20-24-24 on agesa 1004BB

Enable UncoreOC mode inside the AMD Overclocking tab to allow you custom voltages without CPU autocorrection
Inside the main OC menu fix
cLDO_VDDP to 900mV
cLDO_VDDG IOD 975
cLDO_VDDG CCD 1050
VSOC 1125 with a strong loadline drop, level 4 if 1 is flat, or level 3 if 8 is flat
~ you'll notice it, its different up to bios
Keep CPU loadline on auto only VRM switching current to phase response mode
These are very high settings but you want it done fast right ?

Grab y-cruncher, stresstest, enable all settings and be sure your setup doesn't crash out of nothing
As these are high voltages, its expected you to hit near 85-90c don't worry too much
Let it throttle, it just has to remain stable
Post later on a screenshot of 2 passed cycles
^ do all that @ 3600MT/s forced 1-1 mode and fixed memory settings
Keep 34ohm procODT for now , you might need 37 later on for higher speeds

Please report back with a pass and a ryzen master screenshot
I'm on my phone, soo maybe rares could link you a post of mine which suggests voltages for it
As you are using an X570 board, VDDG IOD doesn't need to be high
But I'm strongly suspecting CPU in stability at the start
After all, Asus BIOSes these days do well with setting prediction
But voltages are still a mess on agesa 1004

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If you mean the VDDG then it's probably this post:


https://www.overclock.net/showthread...4#post28424814

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Speaking of copying someone's settings. Found some for you from our german fellows


Let me know if you can boot with these. Don't forget about soc voltage, vddg, vddp, proc_odt and cad_bus



https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...15_10000_2.png

So I am a bit confused, and I think I may be over thinking it... in the screenshot you provided, there is a program @ the top right called "ASUS TURBO VCORE", in it, it mentions: VDDCR CPU VOLTAGE, and it mentions VDDCR CPU SOC (what I presume is shortly referred to as "SOC voltage" everywhere -- right?) - I don't believe there are two, three, four different "SOC" voltages scattered around the bios, right?

This confusion stems from this guide that I was asked to fully read:
https://github.com/integralfx/MemTes...ing-a-baseline

Where literally at the very first step of "finding a baseline" the guide says:

"On AMD, start off with 1.10v SOC. SOC voltage might be named differently depending on the manufacturer. Asus: VDDCR SOC."
The Asus: VDDCR SOC matches what is in that other guy's screenshot you sent, BUT, for me, this is what I see: https://imgur.com/a/8KzfPFN it is called VDDSOC, not VDDCRSOC as the guide explicitly states and as the picture states. I have always changed that to 1.1 as I assumed it's the same, but now I am not sure because the other screenshot clearly shows VDDCRSOC on a asus motehrboard, whereas mine says VDDSOC ... (no "cr")

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So I am a bit confused, and I think I may be over thinking it... in the screenshot you provided, there is a program @ the top right called "ASUS TURBO VCORE", in it, it mentions: VDDCR CPU VOLTAGE, and it mentions VDDCR CPU SOC (what I presume is shortly referred to as "SOC voltage" everywhere -- right?) - I don't believe there are two, three, four different "SOC" voltages scattered around the bios, right?

This confusion stems from this guide that I was asked to fully read:
https://github.com/integralfx/MemTes...ing-a-baseline

Where literally at the very first step of "finding a baseline" the guide says:

"On AMD, start off with 1.10v SOC. SOC voltage might be named differently depending on the manufacturer. Asus: VDDCR SOC."
The Asus: VDDCR SOC matches what is in that other guy's screenshot you sent, BUT, for me, this is what I see: https://imgur.com/a/8KzfPFN it is called VDDSOC, not VDDCRSOC as the guide explicitly states and as the picture states. I have always changed that to 1.1 as I assumed it's the same, but now I am not sure because the other screenshot clearly shows VDDCRSOC on a asus motehrboard, whereas mine says VDDSOC ... (no "cr")

Thanks for the picture/help!
Don't touch that. CPU Soc Voltage is what you need to set. Along with VDDG and CLDO VDDP.

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Don't touch that. CPU Soc Voltage is what you need to set. Along with VDDG and CLDO VDDP.
??????????

Don't touch WHAT exactly???

Can you be a bit more clear and specific please? I am new to this.....


Don't touch "VDDSOC Voltage Override" - is what you mean? - It's the only option here!
When I click on CPU SOC VOLTAGE, (what you just confirmed I need to "set") - it's a DROPDOWN as you can see in the pic. The dropdown gives me OFFSET, MANUAL, and AUTO. Selecting MANUAL, generates a NEW option: "VDDSOC VOLTAGE OVERRIDE" - as you can see in the picture, DON'T TOUCH THAT??????

Again, I don't see where the "VDDCR SOC" voltage is as shown in this guy's top right corner: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...15_10000_2.png

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??????????

Don't touch WHAT exactly???

Can you be a bit more clear and specific please? I am new to this.....


Don't touch "VDDSOC Voltage Override" - is what you mean? - It's the only option here!
When I click on CPU SOC VOLTAGE, (what you just confirmed I need to "set") - it's a DROPDOWN as you can see in the pic. The dropdown gives me OFFSET, MANUAL, and AUTO. Selecting MANUAL, generates a NEW option: "VDDSOC VOLTAGE OVERRIDE" - as you can see in the picture, DON'T TOUCH THAT??????

Again, I don't see where the "VDDCR SOC" voltage is as shown in this guy's top right corner: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...15_10000_2.png
Yeah, that's fine. Override is what you need. Don't go above 1.1V though.

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