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Over 40 hours of messing with the DRAM Calculator & watching "Buildzoid" videos, buying new stuff he recommended and I have had NO PROGRESS -- PLZHELP!! Ryzen 3950x RAM

Specs: Ryzen 3950x, Asus WS x570 PRO ACE, 32GB Crucial ( BL2K16G36C16U4R ) ram, Bequiet Dark Pro 4



Long story short, I have spent over 40 hours, 12 of which were probably just watching the "highly recommended" videos from "BuildZoid" including him "going shopping for ram" to get where I am today... finding this whole exercise to be something where I am quite literally making ZERO progress considering I have probably reset my CMOS over a 100 times during this progress.



I made this post 12 days ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/overclockin...and_a_3000c16/ and didn't get anywhere, so ended up buying a 3600C16 Rev-E kit that "BuildZoid" recommended on his videos as the previous post didn't get my 3000 D-Die Micron kit stable past 3200, and wanted 3600 to squeeze out more a balanced performance on my Ryzen 3950x




Well, today the new kit arrived.



So I loaded up Taiphoon, Read the SPD, Displayed Timings in Nanoseconds, and Saved the Complete Report in HTML.



Then Typed the info into Dram Calculator, "Imported my XMP" profile, which shows my "Memory Chip Quality" as 114% and "Overclocking Potential 4723Mhz C16" https://imgur.com/a/4Vbcc9F (yeah right! When I try to pick anything above 3866, in DRAM Calc, it just says "NOT SUPPORTED") - Anyways: I tweaked all the timings, DRAM, SOC voltage, etc as shown on the "Main" page of the DRAM Calc -- see screenshot with Compare Timings ON: https://imgur.com/a/hAgC9NY -- Did a Prime95 run of "LARGE FFT" to test memory stability -- crashes in under 5 minutes with errors.



So I repeated it, this time using the "Default: R-XMP" (purple button) to generate timings, which showed my kit at "96% Memory Chip Quality" (quite a stark difference from the above Imported HTML showing 114% -- what gives??) -- anyways, went with the "FAST" profile to get it down to CL 14: https://imgur.com/a/CRm6qS5 -- (look got everything matching) same thing, boots, and then with Prime95 LARGE FFT to test memory - crashes in under 5 minutes with errors...

I also tried simply stock XMP, but, tried to increase the FCLK to 1833 and manually changing the memory from 3600 to 3666 (untouched stock timings) - and the thing didn't even boot. I know my cpu can do 1833FCLK because with the older D-Die Micron kit, when I decoupled the FCLK from MCLK I was able to get in Windows at 1833MCLK - and this kit doesn't even post to 3666 .... with 1833FCLK, when I know it did 1833FCLK before on the old 3000 Kit!

I am so frustrated, this is my FIRST AMD build in over 25 years, and I have never, ever, had to spend so much time to get "Optimal" performance (i.e. low speed ram = baaaaaad cpu performance, not tight timings = baaaaaaad cpu performance) - and on top of that I bought this new kit, that doesn't seem to be stable, at all even at the "Safe" settings considering my chip is 114% of the quality???

Am I missing something really obvious here...?

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In a case like this you have 1 of two options the first is getting better B-DIE ram like the viper steel 4400mhz or as a lot of tests has shown just lower your timings as much as you can @ 3600mhz and call it a day.

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I got my g.skill ripjaws 3200 cl14 kit to 3800 MHz 16-15-15-15-30-45 1.46v on 3800x crosshair viii with no sweat, error free with the help of this forum. B-die is the way to go IMO. Buildzoid is great with testing motherboards and telling you which VRM's are the best. With RAM and general overclocking though I would do more research. The ryzen calculator is a great tool, and it gets you very close to what is achievable but it's not the end-all of ram oc. My current settings are close to the ryzen calculator but I ended up tweaking a decent bit further with help from here.

Here's my thread about RAM and the advice/links I got. https://www.overclock.net/forum/13-a...3200-cl14.html

Might be some helpful info in there.

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The DRAM Calculator provides "set and forget" timings for lazy people but for overclockers it is just a starting point, nothing more. Especially for B-die kits.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Awsan View Post
In a case like this you have 1 of two options the first is getting better B-DIE ram like the viper steel 4400mhz or as a lot of tests has shown just lower your timings as much as you can @ 3600mhz and call it a day.
Oh sure, I am just going to run out and buy a third kit within a span of a week.

That's helpful. Thanks!

The whole point as to why I picked this kit is because Buildzoid highly recommended it...
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nitethorn View Post
I got my g.skill ripjaws 3200 cl14 kit to 3800 MHz 16-15-15-15-30-45 1.46v on 3800x crosshair viii with no sweat, error free with the help of this forum. B-die is the way to go IMO. Buildzoid is great with testing motherboards and telling you which VRM's are the best. With RAM and general overclocking though I would do more research. The ryzen calculator is a great tool, and it gets you very close to what is achievable but it's not the end-all of ram oc. My current settings are close to the ryzen calculator but I ended up tweaking a decent bit further with help from here.

Here's my thread about RAM and the advice/links I got. https://www.overclock.net/forum/13-a...3200-cl14.html

Might be some helpful info in there.
Thanks but yours are single rank, 16gb b-die known to be "the best", mine are dual rank, 32gb, micron e-Rev. Not the same stuff...

There's literally no advice in the thread your thread, you basically copied someone else's config, ran it, it was stable... I am not sure how I am supposed to transfer that to my situation to fix my crashes...?
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Quote: Originally Posted by rares495 View Post
The DRAM Calculator provides "set and forget" timings for lazy people but for overclockers it is just a starting point, nothing more. Especially for B-die kits.
Except that BOTH the starting points provided in the Dram calculator don't work.

The manually imported taiphoon which spits out a "safe" OC of c14 -- boots but gives tons of errors.
and the generic "R XMP" button, on fast also gives a c14, which also boots, but also gives tons of errors.

That's why I made the post... over 40 hours spent on this, with literally no progress, and buying crap that Buildzoid recommended with no luck lol
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Oh sure, I am just going to run out and buy a third kit within a span of a week.

That's helpful. Thanks!

The whole point as to why I picked this kit is because Buildzoid highly recommended it...
Because selling a sh it kit to buy a better kit to make your whole build better is stupid , maybe do some research before buying two kits and then crying about it.

Then if you continue reading the rest of the statement you will read I said " try and get the best timings on those @ 3600mhz and call it a day" try benching them @ 3600mhz with flck @ 1800 with tightest timings and try @ higher clocks with matching flck with looser timings and see which will yelled you the best outcome if you won't change the ram (Don't rely on one tool for scores)

By the way clearing your CMOS once + a reflash of the bios + another CMOS will be a good idea as some reported that clearing the CMOS will iron some of the problems and get some settings more stable.

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Quote: Originally Posted by negativefusion View Post
Except that BOTH the starting points provided in the Dram calculator don't work.

The manually imported taiphoon which spits out a "safe" OC of c14 -- boots but gives tons of errors.
and the generic "R XMP" button, on fast also gives a c14, which also boots, but also gives tons of errors.

That's why I made the post... over 40 hours spent on this, with literally no progress, and buying crap that Buildzoid recommended with no luck lol

You probably need to play with proc_ODT and cad_bus values a bit.

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Because selling a sh it kit to buy a better kit to make your whole build better is stupid , maybe do some research before buying two kits and then crying about it.

Then if you continue reading the rest of the statement you will read I said " try and get the best timings on those @ 3600mhz and call it a day" try benching them @ 3600mhz with flck @ 1800 with tightest timings and try @ higher clocks with matching flck with looser timings and see which will yelled you the best outcome if you won't change the ram (Don't rely on one tool for scores)

By the way clearing your CMOS once + a reflash of the bios + another CMOS will be a good idea as some reported that clearing the CMOS will iron some of the problems and get some settings more stable.
I did do the research, that's how I ended up with this kit, it was buildzoid's recommended kit lol... my old one was Micron D-Die. This "rev-e" is supposedly the next best thing to b-die without breaking the bank. I am not going for world records here... I just want a stable rig without leaving too much performance on the table. I never had any of this problems with Intel, this is my first AMD build, and it's been a nightmare

I did read what you said when you said "try and get the best timings" -- you missed the part where I said, I DONT KNOW HOW. There are 100 different timings and voltages to change #s on, I don't know which ones to focus on!! That's literally the point of this fcking thread, to get some direction on where to focus.

Half the timings are unstable, half the timings don't even boot or post, some crash within 1 second of a memtest lol

For example, I booted two different iterations of 3600c14 -- both unstable -- not sure where to go from here
I also managed to get 3800c18 (not c16) to boot at 1900FCLK -- but for whatever reason, can't get anything at 3800c16 to post... again, not sure where to fix, what to increase, what to decrease, etc.
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