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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 05-12-2019, 09:01 PM - Thread Starter
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GT-620 Not good enough for KDE Neon?

Hi all. I'm using KDE Neon, and I seem to be having some video issues. There is always some kind of... lag. When you mouse over the window control buttons, (close window, minimize window) they take forever to change color. Also, when you open or close a window, the animations are slow and clunky. Then there's youtube. Unless you play them on 480p, they're just not very smooth. It can do it on 720p fairly smooth, but you still might notice a little roughness here and there. And its pretty rough on 1080p. I am using a 1440p monitor. Could it be that my little Nvidia GT-620 card just isn't up to the task? Before I bought it, I looked up the specs and they say that it should be fine for 1440p. But there's just no way that it would play 1440p video, it struggles with 1080p.

So I guess I've learned my lesson with trusting those specs. Unless there could be something else going on here? I'm only using an old Core2Duo E6600 processor. But I figured being linux, this wouldn't matter all that much. I've got 4Gb of ddr2 RAM, and an old Creative XFi sound card. And a 400 watt power supply, and a Samsung Evo SSD. Its an old toaster, I know. But I wanted to use some old junk computer, to see if I could even adapt to using linux instead of windows. I really like KDE Neon and I want to make the switch to Linux. So is this a video card issue? Since its happening to youtube and the desktop animations, my guess would be yes. That indeed this video card is too weak. But I just thought I'd run it by you guys first. Oh I'm also using the proprietary Nvidia drivers, which should offer the best possible performance out of the card.

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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 05-13-2019, 01:46 AM
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KDE nowadays is bloated compared to what it used to be. Too much emphasis on eyecandy IMO. I'd suggest installing LXDE.

Code:
sudo apt-get install lxde
or whatever.

Then next time you log in to your computer there should be a menu somewhere on the login screen that lets you pick which DE to use.




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Unfortunately there is only the keyboard icon, for the on screen keyboard. I don't see anywhere that you can change the DE. But if it weren't for KDE, I don't know if I could use linux. I might could do Ubuntu or a heavily modified Mint Cinnamon. The eye candy is all important for me. Aesthetic is one of my primary concerns. I'm coming over from Windows 10 so I don't want to feel like I stepped backwards in time 15 years. KDE is perfect for that, makes me feel much more at home. I'd say that I love KDE Neon.

It does show that I'm only using about half of the GT-620's video memory, at any given time. When I open a lot of programs and play a youtube video at 1080p, it still only shows that I'm using around 740Mb of an available 950Mb. That seems like I've got some room to spare, when it comes to video memory at least.

Could it be that the GPU itself just isn't up to the task?

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I dunno, I usually disable all animations possible.
If you want smooth eye candy at 1440p you probably need both CPU and GPU upgrades. Only need faster speed, 4GB RAM/1GB VRAM should already be enough.

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GTX 1050

This should be enough for a budget build that's reasonably modern compared to what you've got...



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How about installing waterfox? Anyone here use Waterfox or Pale Moon browser on Linux? Where's all the linux guys?

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Changing your browser is unlikely to do anything when it's your DE that's eating up your CPU/GPU cycles.

If you want to try disabling the newer video codecs in Firefox, go into about:config
Set
Code:
media.mediasource.webm.enabled
to
Code:
false
.

This might help video playback but won't do anything about desktop animations.

For more specific help on KDE Neon you should probably go sign up on forum dedicated to it:
https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=309

But don't be surprised if they also tell you to either disable animations or upgrade your hardware.




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Quote: Originally Posted by ltpdttcdft View Post
If you want smooth eye candy at 1440p you probably need both CPU and GPU upgrades. Only need faster speed, 4GB RAM/1GB VRAM should already be enough.
Agreed. I fooled around on KDE with a few old machines and found that if you want all the effects and speed, you need decent hardware. That was a couple years ago, but if anything it seems more resource intensive these days.

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How about installing waterfox? Anyone here use Waterfox or Pale Moon browser on Linux? Where's all the linux guys?
You might be surprised that you won't miss many of the window effects that are hogging resources. You can disable window effects one by one to find which have the most impact on resources and which you can/can't live without. That's what I wound up doing, and eventually I had drastically improved performance and could barely tell what I'd disabled; quite a few window effects had a large impact on resources but added little to nothing aesthetically.

Switching to a lighter DE (as in, pretty much anything else) was better still, and I was surprised even the barebones DEs had many more window effects than I care to use. YMMV of course.

I always used Pale Moon before I switched to Linux. At the time, IIRC, the devs weren't confident in the Linux version, so I switched to regular Firefox. If you try it, let me know how you make out. Never had much interest in Waterfox, so couldn't tell you about that.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ltpdttcdft View Post

But don't be surprised if they also tell you to either disable animations or upgrade your hardware.
Yeah I've decided to go ahead and upgrade the hardware. For around $30 on ebay, I bought a used Dell motherboard, an I5-2500s CPU, and 8Gb of ddr3. That should be one heck of an upgrade. I'm also bidding on a GTX 750ti. Its not a 1050 like you mentioned, but I think it will handle the video just fine. I won't be gaming on the computer.

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You might be surprised that you won't miss many of the window effects that are hogging resources. You can disable window effects one by one to find which have the most impact on resources and which you can/can't live without. That's what I wound up doing, and eventually I had drastically improved performance and could barely tell what I'd disabled; quite a few window effects had a large impact on resources but added little to nothing aesthetically.

Can you remember which ones you disabled, exactly? That led to the decrease in resource use. There are just so many that its hard to know which ones to disable. I started with the window animations, and that did help to some degree. I set them to instant instead of having a delay, which basically turns window animations off.

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Quote: Originally Posted by PhotonFanatic View Post
Can you remember which ones you disabled, exactly? That led to the decrease in resource use. There are just so many that its hard to know which ones to disable. I started with the window animations, and that did help to some degree. I set them to instant instead of having a delay, which basically turns window animations off.
I can't remember much of it. There are some guides out there. Reading this older one, I'm not sure how relevant it is these days, but I remember "Crisp" scaling made a big difference, I turned off blur as well.



It took quite some time playing around with it, turning each of them off and seeing what happened.

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