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post #31 of 82 (permalink) Old 08-03-2018, 09:44 PM
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I've already bailed, but software as a service model would definitely make sure I never come back.

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One of the problems will start be hardware related and less game related.

Since kaby lake and onward, microsoft no longer support them on windows 7. Meaning you are going to start having driver problems, unsupported issues etc.
There are some ways around it, but at some point they will start making things harder and harder, so you will either have to move to windows 10, or move to linux. Or keep using older hardware.
Exactly. We're approaching a point of no return where you will have to pick a team with no in between option because the thing that you hate about the one is worse than the things that annoy you about the other. I don't like everything about Linux. I can't stand KDE so thank gawd for Gnome and XFCE. Not all of my Steam games will run in WINE, not even run badly, just flat out won't work at all. But you know what? I'd rather have that.

As for Intel no longer supporting Win7? Screw 'em.
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I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid... and I went ahead anyway.

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Monthly cost for my bloody os as a gamer = console it is.
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I'm of the unpopular opinion in that I like Windows 10 on my personal machine (with some big caveats though). I've had no issues with it. I'm not saying that there aren't issues, I deal with them everyday at work, just to be clear on that. My main gripe, as is most everyone that hates Windows 10, is the forced updates. It now makes sense though. They force updates to wreak havoc for businesses when the updates break crap, and then out of the kindness of their hearts, offer a way to get rid of those headaches for a monthly fee. I mean, this is brilliant. I feel stupid for wishing Microsoft would give us control back when we can just pay them even more money to control it for us.
You have company. I like Win10 just fine and haven't had any major issues with it whatsoever. As a home user I don't have any issues with the forced updates (I leave auto-update on and have never had an update break anything) but I can imagine how such a thing could reek havoc in a business setting.


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You have company. I like Win10 just fine and haven't had any major issues with it whatsoever. As a home user I don't have any issues with the forced updates (I leave auto-update on and have never had an update break anything) but I can imagine how such a thing could reek havoc in a business setting.

Imagine no more:

[Computerworld] An open letter to Microsoft management re: Windows updating

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To: Mr. Satya Nadella, Mr. Carlos Picoto and Mr. Scott Guthrie

Dear Sirs:

Today, as Windows 10 turns three years old, I am writing to you to ensure that you are aware of the dissatisfaction your customers have with the updates released for Windows desktops and servers in recent months. The quality of updates released in the month of July, in particular, has placed customers in a quandary: install updates and face issues with applications, or don't install updates and leave machines subject to attack.

In the month of July 2018 alone there are 47 knowledge base bulletins with known issues. Some of these were stop issues, but most concerning were the .Net side effects with your own software: SharePoint, BizTalk and even Exchange servers were impacted by these July 10 updates.

I am a moderator on a community listserve that focuses on the topic of patch management, patchmanagement.org. Recently many of the participants on the listserve have expressed their concerns and dissatisfaction with the quality of updates as well as the timing of updates.

I recently asked the list members to answer several questions about patching on Windows 7 to Windows 10. The full results of this unscientific survey can be read here. I urge you to take the time to read the responses. It showcases that your customers who are in charge of patching and maintaining systems are not happy with the quality of updates and the cadence of feature releases, and feel that it cannot go on as is.

This is just the beginning of the letter, keep reading it at the source.


And here is Microsoft's answer in two e-mails. The first one is seemingly normal, but the second reads like it was written by a broken, PR driven, tone-deaf AI:

[Computerworld] Windows updaters express frustrations. Microsoft responds.



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Exactly. We're approaching a point of no return where you will have to pick a team with no in between option because the thing that you hate about the one is worse than the things that annoy you about the other. I don't like everything about Linux. I can't stand KDE so thank gawd for Gnome and XFCE. Not all of my Steam games will run in WINE, not even run badly, just flat out won't work at all. But you know what? I'd rather have that.
Basically the choice I had to make and everyone else will have to as well. I remember when I tried Ubuntu when it first came out, I was still in highschool and just rage quit the whole thing. Why? I couldn't play games... 15 years later though my priorities have changed and I'm willing to give up most games in order to avoid what I think is the bane of computing, the whole software as a service built in analytics monetization app store model.

It's like that with a lot of things, take phones for example, you've grown accustomed to Google's conveniences but are outraged at all the analytics and the walled garden approach Google is taking. You either take it on the chin and deal with flashing custom roms/side loading apks and the fact that some apps you just won't be able to have or trade freedom (software freedom) and personal privacy for convenience...

Were at a crossroads with technology. The mainstream is moving to the software as a service, perpetual "renting" of content, everything centralized on "the cloud", micro transaction, your data/info as payment, upgrade your software by upgrading your hardware (e.g. Apple buying new stuff), walled garden, etc model.

The old model of actually buying/owning stuff, being able to tinker with your stuff (swapping parts, unlocking boot loaders, flashing OS's, etc), being in control, you being the ultimate sysadmin yay/nay in anything on your computer, etc. We'll it's coming to an end... The only thing sort of keeping it alive is the resistors mainly in the FOSS/FLOSS community coming up with all sorts of forks to keep this style of computing alive.

If you're on a computer site like this you probably don't want to see the end of the "old" way of computing but you probably don't want to gimp yourself and miss out on new and fun things either. The problem is you can't have both, you will either assimilate to the new computing model, e.g. sealed ultra proprietary hardware software/OS as a service model and be able to play with all the new toys or pick the FOSS approach and deal with massive troubleshooting headaches for everything and miss out on some stuff. I predict that for the most part, most people will buckle. All the nay'sayers here talking about ridding out Windows 7 till the wheels fall off remind me of the guys who were saying the same thing about XP in 07, 3-4 years later they all assimilated, most before that.

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[Forbes] Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge

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[Forbes] Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge
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