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post #1 of 57 (permalink) Old 02-01-2019, 06:01 PM - Thread Starter
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Hydroplane's 2019 Chiller Conversion Build

I had this piece of crap dehumidifier sitting in the basement. It came with the house when I bought it 4 years ago and I never really used it. I figured for its size it wouldn't have much cooling capacity but decided to check it out today. Turn out it can draw 4.8A at 120V which means it's probably a 1/2 HP compressor! It also uses good ole R22 which boils at a nice low -41c. It was made in 2009 and I thought R22 was banned by then? Must be because it's from China lol. I had nothing to lose, so I decided to disassemble the thing to see what I could do with it. It came apart with a lot of screws but not too much difficulty.

In a dehumidifier, the evaporator and condenser are back to back. This way, the evaporator can collect moisture from the air due to condensation and drop it in the tray below, while the condenser heat keeps it from freezing up and also keeps the inlet/outlet temps roughly the same (since the system is basically exchanging heat with itself). Obviously this setup wouldn't work to cool a computer. The screws connecting the two took a drill and several different sizes of philips heads to remove, since they had corroded in place. I also removed the humidity sensor that they had shoved into the evap, lol. The next challenge was to bend the evaporator to where I needed it to be, so I could dunk it in a tank of water. I had to very carefully bend the copper inlet and outlet pipes, lest I break one and lose all my precious R22. The braze joint from the outlet to the evap was particularly concerning. Luckily, I took my time and nothing broke.

I used a storage bin I had laying around as a res. It was what I had that was the right size, though not ideal. I filled it up with tap water and let it rip. It worked great, too well actually, the evaporator turned into an ice block lol. I shut it down soon after as I was worried about the expansion of water into ice damaging the evap. In a way it's good, as it verifies this system will have subzero capability. The whole bin of water stayed at 40f for hours (though it probably was somewhat cold from the tap).

I will need a coolant with a lower freezing point to test further. I'm thinking 60% propylene glycol, 40% water, which freezes at -48c. I'd like to acquire a smaller container for the evaporator (to reduce the amount of glycol I'd have to buy, and make it easier to fill/empty/move). That, and a pump/res, tubing, fittings, insulation and a waterblock that I could actually connect it to a computer with.
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9900K @ 5.4 1.50v
Motherboard
EVGA Z390 Dark
GPU
Titan RTX 2085/8500
RAM
Trident Z 3200c14 @ 4133c16 1.5v
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Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250gb
Power Supply
ancient silverstone 1200
Cooling
HWLabs GTX 360 Rad (in RED)
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3x EK Vardar 120mm 2200rpm Fans
Case
Dimastech Test Bench
Monitor
AOC Agon AG251FZ 240Hz
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Built-in Monitor Speakers (3 watt)
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Intel Core i9-7980XE @ 4.3 GHz 1.10v
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Asus Rampage VI Apex
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Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce WB 1080 Ti SLI 2037/6318 1.09V
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Trident Z 32GB (4x8GB) 3200C14 @ 3800C16 1.50V
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Samsung 960 Evo 1TB
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EVGA 1600 T2
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HWLabs Nemesis GTR 420+280 Rads
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EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 RGB PWM
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LD Cooling PC-V7 280/420
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48 GB Samsung DDR3-1066
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That looks like a neat project. I have a phase cooler laying around ( -50 C on 5960x, but too slow to react to load changes) and might want to mod that for some GPU liquid cooling. BTW, check this Linus vid out...he's using some sort of 'RainX' windshield wiper fluid (apparently, there are two types, one of which is ok for a PC loop)
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That looks like a neat project. I have a phase cooler laying around ( -50 C on 5960x, but too slow to react to load changes) and might want to mod that for some GPU liquid cooling. BTW, check this Linus vid out...he's using some sort of 'RainX' windshield wiper fluid (apparently, there are two types, one of which is ok for a PC loop)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMtvEbD2MQo
He only uses a 1/10 HP chiller though, mine should be much more capable I'm surprised a 1/10 HP could do much of anything with a 2990WX, lol. Of course, he doesn't show much in the way of benchmark results. He sure does love that Rain-X. I found an SDS for it which says its main component is methyl alcohol AKA methanol. Probably mixed with water to achieve the desired freezing point (and save money) since methanol freezes at -96c. It also has a specific heat of 2.51, vs. water at 4.186 and propylene glycol at 2.2. So it would actually work better, but not sure the Rain-X would get cold enough for me without freezing.

According to this, it looks like a 50/50 mix would get me down to -50c:

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/m...ter-d_987.html

It is still pretty cool that I have something with the cooling capacity of a $600 Hailea HC-500A chiller, for free!

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Build Log - White Voodoo
Z390 Station
(11 items)
White Voodoo
(14 items)
CPU
9900K @ 5.4 1.50v
Motherboard
EVGA Z390 Dark
GPU
Titan RTX 2085/8500
RAM
Trident Z 3200c14 @ 4133c16 1.5v
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250gb
Power Supply
ancient silverstone 1200
Cooling
HWLabs GTX 360 Rad (in RED)
Cooling
3x EK Vardar 120mm 2200rpm Fans
Case
Dimastech Test Bench
Monitor
AOC Agon AG251FZ 240Hz
Audio
Built-in Monitor Speakers (3 watt)
CPU
Intel Core i9-7980XE @ 4.3 GHz 1.10v
Motherboard
Asus Rampage VI Apex
GPU
Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce WB 1080 Ti SLI 2037/6318 1.09V
RAM
Trident Z 32GB (4x8GB) 3200C14 @ 3800C16 1.50V
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Samsung 960 Evo 1TB
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EVGA 1600 T2
Cooling
HWLabs Nemesis GTR 420+280 Rads
Cooling
(7) Noctua NF-A14 iPPC-3000 PWM Fans
Cooling
EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 RGB PWM
Case
LD Cooling PC-V7 280/420
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Windows 10 LTSB
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Linux Mint 19.1
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NEC PA271W 2560x1440
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Razer Blackwidow Chroma V2
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Dual Intel Xeon L5520 2.26 GHz
RAM
48 GB Samsung DDR3-1066
Hard Drive
120 GB Samsung 750 Evo SSD
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Bought some GOODIES from Harbor Fright and Lowe's today.

Somehow managed to find a 4 gallon igloo cooler in EXACTLY the perfect size. Also got the laser temp reader, and a nice case thing that could be used to hold CPUs.

Of course, it being Harbor Freight, the temp reader didn't come with the 9V battery it needs to run, lol. I didn't have any laying around, so I just borrowed one from my smoke detector. Don't worry, I put it back when I was done so the house won't burn down.

The tin snips with footlong grips work really well for opening that stupid blister packaging!

I put the evap in the igloo and added 3 gallons of RV coolant (like 50% water, 50% propylene glycol). So far, it hasn't frozen yet. I will see how cold it can go! The RV coolant I put in the freezer flowed fine at 5F, it didn't turn into syrup.
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CHILLER DESTRUCTION
Build Log - White Voodoo
Z390 Station
(11 items)
White Voodoo
(14 items)
CPU
9900K @ 5.4 1.50v
Motherboard
EVGA Z390 Dark
GPU
Titan RTX 2085/8500
RAM
Trident Z 3200c14 @ 4133c16 1.5v
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250gb
Power Supply
ancient silverstone 1200
Cooling
HWLabs GTX 360 Rad (in RED)
Cooling
3x EK Vardar 120mm 2200rpm Fans
Case
Dimastech Test Bench
Monitor
AOC Agon AG251FZ 240Hz
Audio
Built-in Monitor Speakers (3 watt)
CPU
Intel Core i9-7980XE @ 4.3 GHz 1.10v
Motherboard
Asus Rampage VI Apex
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Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce WB 1080 Ti SLI 2037/6318 1.09V
RAM
Trident Z 32GB (4x8GB) 3200C14 @ 3800C16 1.50V
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Samsung 960 Evo 1TB
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EVGA 1600 T2
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HWLabs Nemesis GTR 420+280 Rads
Cooling
(7) Noctua NF-A14 iPPC-3000 PWM Fans
Cooling
EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 RGB PWM
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LD Cooling PC-V7 280/420
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NEC PA271W 2560x1440
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UPDATE:

So the propylene glycol / water mix still seems to freeze, or at least slush up. The evaporator forms this snow or frost like layer on it. I think the water separates out from the glycol. But there is still a little glycol in that slush so it turns into a snow-like substance rather than freezing into an ice block that could damage the evaporator. Maybe it will still work? The remaining liquid still flows easily, I think the glycol concentration increases. Still pumpable unless that slush breaks off, could damage a pump? Maybe I will try ethanol/water instead, if I can figure out a reasonable way to buy some.

The good news is that it gets cold. I saw as low as 20F/-7C on the liquid and can probably get it colder. And the igloo cooler insulates fantastically well, zero condensation on the outside. When I looked at it this morning after 9 hours, the liquid was still 25F!

CHILLER DESTRUCTION
Build Log - White Voodoo
Z390 Station
(11 items)
White Voodoo
(14 items)
CPU
9900K @ 5.4 1.50v
Motherboard
EVGA Z390 Dark
GPU
Titan RTX 2085/8500
RAM
Trident Z 3200c14 @ 4133c16 1.5v
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250gb
Power Supply
ancient silverstone 1200
Cooling
HWLabs GTX 360 Rad (in RED)
Cooling
3x EK Vardar 120mm 2200rpm Fans
Case
Dimastech Test Bench
Monitor
AOC Agon AG251FZ 240Hz
Audio
Built-in Monitor Speakers (3 watt)
CPU
Intel Core i9-7980XE @ 4.3 GHz 1.10v
Motherboard
Asus Rampage VI Apex
GPU
Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce WB 1080 Ti SLI 2037/6318 1.09V
RAM
Trident Z 32GB (4x8GB) 3200C14 @ 3800C16 1.50V
Hard Drive
Samsung 960 Evo 1TB
Power Supply
EVGA 1600 T2
Cooling
HWLabs Nemesis GTR 420+280 Rads
Cooling
(7) Noctua NF-A14 iPPC-3000 PWM Fans
Cooling
EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 RGB PWM
Case
LD Cooling PC-V7 280/420
Operating System
Windows 10 LTSB
Operating System
Linux Mint 19.1
Monitor
NEC PA271W 2560x1440
Keyboard
Razer Blackwidow Chroma V2
CPU
Dual Intel Xeon L5520 2.26 GHz
RAM
48 GB Samsung DDR3-1066
Hard Drive
120 GB Samsung 750 Evo SSD
Hard Drive
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Welp... looks like propylene glycol is out. Time to try something more toxic
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CHILLER DESTRUCTION
Build Log - White Voodoo
Z390 Station
(11 items)
White Voodoo
(14 items)
CPU
9900K @ 5.4 1.50v
Motherboard
EVGA Z390 Dark
GPU
Titan RTX 2085/8500
RAM
Trident Z 3200c14 @ 4133c16 1.5v
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250gb
Power Supply
ancient silverstone 1200
Cooling
HWLabs GTX 360 Rad (in RED)
Cooling
3x EK Vardar 120mm 2200rpm Fans
Case
Dimastech Test Bench
Monitor
AOC Agon AG251FZ 240Hz
Audio
Built-in Monitor Speakers (3 watt)
CPU
Intel Core i9-7980XE @ 4.3 GHz 1.10v
Motherboard
Asus Rampage VI Apex
GPU
Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce WB 1080 Ti SLI 2037/6318 1.09V
RAM
Trident Z 32GB (4x8GB) 3200C14 @ 3800C16 1.50V
Hard Drive
Samsung 960 Evo 1TB
Power Supply
EVGA 1600 T2
Cooling
HWLabs Nemesis GTR 420+280 Rads
Cooling
(7) Noctua NF-A14 iPPC-3000 PWM Fans
Cooling
EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 RGB PWM
Case
LD Cooling PC-V7 280/420
Operating System
Windows 10 LTSB
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Linux Mint 19.1
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NEC PA271W 2560x1440
Keyboard
Razer Blackwidow Chroma V2
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Dual Intel Xeon L5520 2.26 GHz
RAM
48 GB Samsung DDR3-1066
Hard Drive
120 GB Samsung 750 Evo SSD
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This is a very cool project. I am glad you posted this. +1 on the rep for this. I am interested in the results when you find something that wont slush up and that I could even make for my chilled test bench. So please keep the updates coming
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This is a very cool project. I am glad you posted this. +1 on the rep for this. I am interested in the results when you find something that wont slush up and that I could even make for my chilled test bench. So please keep the updates coming
Thanks I tested it with Rain-X de-icer which worked much better, stayed nice and thin even at -20F with no ice on the evaporator. Problem is, it gives off toxic fumes, so can't really use it indoors. Next step is to try ethanol, should be safe to have inside and not too flammable if mixed 50/50 with water. Ethanol has similar chemical properties to methanol.

I think -20F is about as cold as I can go on R22, but still excellent. I mean, this is the cooling capacity of a $600 fishtank chiller, for free!
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Build Log - White Voodoo
Z390 Station
(11 items)
White Voodoo
(14 items)
CPU
9900K @ 5.4 1.50v
Motherboard
EVGA Z390 Dark
GPU
Titan RTX 2085/8500
RAM
Trident Z 3200c14 @ 4133c16 1.5v
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250gb
Power Supply
ancient silverstone 1200
Cooling
HWLabs GTX 360 Rad (in RED)
Cooling
3x EK Vardar 120mm 2200rpm Fans
Case
Dimastech Test Bench
Monitor
AOC Agon AG251FZ 240Hz
Audio
Built-in Monitor Speakers (3 watt)
CPU
Intel Core i9-7980XE @ 4.3 GHz 1.10v
Motherboard
Asus Rampage VI Apex
GPU
Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce WB 1080 Ti SLI 2037/6318 1.09V
RAM
Trident Z 32GB (4x8GB) 3200C14 @ 3800C16 1.50V
Hard Drive
Samsung 960 Evo 1TB
Power Supply
EVGA 1600 T2
Cooling
HWLabs Nemesis GTR 420+280 Rads
Cooling
(7) Noctua NF-A14 iPPC-3000 PWM Fans
Cooling
EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 RGB PWM
Case
LD Cooling PC-V7 280/420
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Windows 10 LTSB
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NEC PA271W 2560x1440
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Razer Blackwidow Chroma V2
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Dual Intel Xeon L5520 2.26 GHz
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48 GB Samsung DDR3-1066
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120 GB Samsung 750 Evo SSD
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[QUOTE=I think -20F is about as cold as I can go on R22, but still excellent. I mean, this is the cooling capacity of a $600 fishtank chiller, for free![/QUOTE]

Yes, I was looking into chiller options for my test bench only and when I seen this I thought that was a very good idea. Have you only tested the cooler to see if it ices? Or have you ran it through any tubes and a waterblock to see if it can actually keep the liquid that cool with constant heat from a waterblock and a 9900k or 7980xe?
I see chillers that say they will cool 6 liters or something like that, and I know a loop is only about a liter depending... But, with constant heat from a CPU block and a GPU waterblock it makes me wonder if it will stay a nice cool at -20c or something that you can actually use for extended periods without going for a $1,000 chiller.
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Yes, I was looking into chiller options for my test bench only and when I seen this I thought that was a very good idea. Have you only tested the cooler to see if it ices? Or have you ran it through any tubes and a waterblock to see if it can actually keep the liquid that cool with constant heat from a waterblock and a 9900k or 7980xe?
I see chillers that say they will cool 6 liters or something like that, and I know a loop is only about a liter depending... But, with constant heat from a CPU block and a GPU waterblock it makes me wonder if it will stay a nice cool at -20c or something that you can actually use for extended periods without going for a $1,000 chiller.
Not sure yet but I will find out At 1/2HP and with a 4 gallon reservoir it should do pretty well. I will probably try it on some old crap hardware first just in case I run into any condensation or chemical degradation issues. (i.e. ethanol eating through plastics or rubber) At some point I'd like to pick up a 9900K for the test bench, but maybe in a few months. Probably going to spend the $ on Titan RTX first lol

CHILLER DESTRUCTION
Build Log - White Voodoo
Z390 Station
(11 items)
White Voodoo
(14 items)
CPU
9900K @ 5.4 1.50v
Motherboard
EVGA Z390 Dark
GPU
Titan RTX 2085/8500
RAM
Trident Z 3200c14 @ 4133c16 1.5v
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250gb
Power Supply
ancient silverstone 1200
Cooling
HWLabs GTX 360 Rad (in RED)
Cooling
3x EK Vardar 120mm 2200rpm Fans
Case
Dimastech Test Bench
Monitor
AOC Agon AG251FZ 240Hz
Audio
Built-in Monitor Speakers (3 watt)
CPU
Intel Core i9-7980XE @ 4.3 GHz 1.10v
Motherboard
Asus Rampage VI Apex
GPU
Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce WB 1080 Ti SLI 2037/6318 1.09V
RAM
Trident Z 32GB (4x8GB) 3200C14 @ 3800C16 1.50V
Hard Drive
Samsung 960 Evo 1TB
Power Supply
EVGA 1600 T2
Cooling
HWLabs Nemesis GTR 420+280 Rads
Cooling
(7) Noctua NF-A14 iPPC-3000 PWM Fans
Cooling
EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 RGB PWM
Case
LD Cooling PC-V7 280/420
Operating System
Windows 10 LTSB
Operating System
Linux Mint 19.1
Monitor
NEC PA271W 2560x1440
Keyboard
Razer Blackwidow Chroma V2
CPU
Dual Intel Xeon L5520 2.26 GHz
RAM
48 GB Samsung DDR3-1066
Hard Drive
120 GB Samsung 750 Evo SSD
Hard Drive
2 TB Western Digital Green
Hard Drive
2 TB Hitachi 7200 RPM
Power Supply
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