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Using Clay for Subzero Insulation

Hey All,

Anyone ever tried using clay/putty as subzero insulation? Seems like it would be easier to just put a ton of clay around my CPU waterblock/motherboard than to use kneaded eraser+armaflex, etc. I wonder if it would be a mess to clean off the mobo?

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i'd stick with kneaded eraser, its tried true, andkneaded eraser is pretty easy to remove as long as you get the right brand ( http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...-kneaded-erase r) , instead of armaflex you can use blue shop towel(blue paper towels) or cut up some shamwow

I have been looking for the insulation guide i found that was actually recent where they used the sham wow. basically just cut it to fit the gaps and fit around the caps

I suggest going to hwbot.org forum or xtremesystems maybe for LN2 OC help. OCN doesn't really seem like the place

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It looks like most clays won't work since they contain water. How about either of these? Looks like the putty is limestone/linseed oil which I think is nonconductive. Perlite and vermiculite are excellent insulators. I could literally just put a pile on the mobo lol, then vacuum it off later. Maybe I will buy both to try, why not
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hydroplane View Post
It looks like most clays won't work since they contain water. How about either of these? Looks like the putty is limestone/linseed oil which I think is nonconductive. Perlite and vermiculite are excellent insulators. I could literally just put a pile on the mobo lol, then vacuum it off later. Maybe I will buy both to try, why not
Nah man, not worth it. Eraser is proven and very easy to remove.. why invent wheel second time. Im always using eraser + blue towels, lasted few hours till end of session.
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Nah man, not worth it. Eraser is proven and very easy to remove.. why invent wheel second time. Im always using eraser + blue towels, lasted few hours till end of session.
Because it's fun to experiment Nice board btw, got the Z390 Dark on the way

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If you're using this for the chiller you're building you can also build an air tight container, flood it with CO2 or Argon then seal her up. Obviously you'd need to pumb and wire it first haha.


Most use the eraser plus Vaseline all over the rest of the PCB. If this is a permanent job you can mask of and spray it with plastidip among numerous other coatings.

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If you're using this for the chiller you're building you can also build an air tight container, flood it with CO2 or Argon then seal her up. Obviously you'd need to pumb and wire it first haha.
Yes, this is for the chiller. That might work, but would be very tough to seal with all of the power and peripheral wires going in and out. I'd need to top it off with dry gas regularly and have a way to determine if moist air was entering. I could also use a freezer, provided everything was waterblocked (i.e. an air cooled GPU would overheat the freezer, it would be for condensation prevention only)

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It wouldn't be too difficult, you're not keeping it under pressure or anything. Many of the sub zero chill box builds I've seen incorporated the entire build into the chiller box so it could be sealed up. Imagine a large box that holds everything with just video, USB and power wires coming out...that's all you have to seal. I guess it depends on how handy you are and what you have at your disposal too. I'd build a large (sealed) wooden box and router a window frame info the lid then apply a large piece of plexy to the inside using silicone and small carriage bolts to mount and seal it. I'd use one large self up top which is a sealed chamber with a bolted lid then I'd have a larger lower portion with your cooling components feeding to the top.

As for leaks...use silicone and build a plexiglass panel which would show you the condensation. If it's totally sealed you'd only need to gas it if you opened it.



Sorry if that's all to complicated, I'm the type that can build everything out of anything lol.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Hydroplane View Post
Because it's fun to experiment Nice board btw, got the Z390 Dark on the way
then you shall experiment wont be easy though. For fast LN2 sessions eraser or vaseline is the way to go. Yeah Z390 dark is good, not interested because i have Apex X

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then you shall experiment wont be easy though. For fast LN2 sessions eraser or vaseline is the way to go. Yeah Z390 dark is good, not interested because i have Apex X
I have the opposite setup, EVGA for Z390 and Apex VI for X299 lol. My chiller can only get down to -30C so not as bad to insulate

The sealed box would work well, only issue is using it for test bench, I would have to open/close it often

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