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post #71 of 82 (permalink) Old 01-23-2019, 02:10 PM
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It WILL put warm air inside the case and if you use a second rad at the top (exhaust) it WILL be cooled with even warmer air..this is the hard truth with internal radiators. I would love to go with an external rad for the Evolv-X build I am working on but since this is a build for my son (11 years old) I want a more compact solution that will fit on a desk.

Now there is not much you can do about it unless you go really creative and make custom channels for the air. I am considering to test whether it is possible to use 2X 360 RADs (front & bottom) and make both of them take air from the front. My idea is to push the front 360 down (bottom of the case) and build a custom plexi channel for the top rad pulling air from the front just above the 360 rad and exhausting at the top. The top rad will be enclosed in a plexi box so it won't pull any air from within the case, just from the front. This way I will also have a nice clean, air-stream in the case for the rest of the components as well. The GPU will also be watercooled so no hot air from it either.

However, this might be noisy due to the small front intake, air might not be enough or turbulence in the custom channel might prevent it from working properly. I guess other people or case manufacturers might have thought about it and found that it would not work....I don't know I am just making guesses and experimenting for the fun of it. I wish I knew how to run a computer simulation but I don't and don't plan to learn since it is not my job...it will be faster to build and test it.

Well this is the theory but it will take trial and error and several plexi cuts to make this so I don't know when it is going to happen. I have the plexi, I have the tools, I have chloroformium to stick the pieces and know how to do it but my time is limited so it's not happening before at least 3-4 months.

Here is a quick sketch so if anyone more knowledgeable on the subject than me wants to comment I would like to hear some input. Maybe I save my self from the trouble.
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Has anyone with this case had any grounding problems that are GPU related?

I haven't be able to narrow it down, but moving quickly enough out of my desktop chair will cause my gpu drivers to crash, and then pc locks up and restarts every single time I move in this manner. The metal part of my DP cable is extremely close to the frame of the case by default positioning of the motherboard slot.

The motherboard I have has a backplate and I've also compared the height of the standoff to the height the backplate extends and they're flush, so it's highly possible portions of the motherboard are touching the case and causing the short as well.

I've since switched back to my CM MC5 temporarily and so far I haven't had any issues. The standoff's are also about 1mm taller in the Coolermaster case.
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Has anyone with this case had any grounding problems that are GPU related?

I haven't be able to narrow it down, but moving quickly enough out of my desktop chair will cause my gpu drivers to crash, and then pc locks up and restarts every single time I move in this manner. The metal part of my DP cable is extremely close to the frame of the case by default positioning of the motherboard slot.

The motherboard I have has a backplate and I've also compared the height of the standoff to the height the backplate extends and they're flush, so it's highly possible portions of the motherboard are touching the case and causing the short as well.

I've since switched back to my CM MC5 temporarily and so far I haven't had any issues. The standoff's are also about 1mm taller in the Coolermaster case.
I caught your convo on the CHVII Hero thread and it sounds to me like a) You forgot a standoff? Or b)You have an extra standoff somewhere under your board?

You should have 9 for ATX. Make certain they are in their correct placements and that they are fully seated to the MB tray.

Of course it could be c) Your backplate is not fully seated on the back of your MB causing a short.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
I caught your convo on the CHVII Hero thread and it sounds to me like a) You forgot a standoff? Or b)You have an extra standoff somewhere under your board?

You should have 9 for ATX. Make certain they are in their correct placements and that they are fully seated to the MB tray.

Of course it could be c) Your backplate is not fully seated on the back of your MB causing a short.

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I checked all of the standoffs, made sure theyre properly in, and there were no extras/extraneous metal in the case behind the motherboard tray.

I've been running the setup inside the CM5 for a day now and haven't any issues outside of one shutdown when I put the case panel on. Like I mentioned, the standoffs used in the CM5 Maker are about 1mm taller than the Evolv X standoffs (which are flush with the depth of the backplate and screws connectiing the i/o shield on the Aorus Master). It just seems like I'm one of the unlucky people to have picked the wrong combination of motherboard and case to where they just aren't compatible stock.

One thing is for sure, never again will I buy a motherboard with a backplate.

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I checked all of the standoffs, made sure theyre properly in, and there were no extras/extraneous metal in the case behind the motherboard tray.

I've been running the setup inside the CM5 for a day now and haven't any issues outside of one shutdown when I put the case panel on. Like I mentioned, the standoffs used in the CM5 Maker are about 1mm taller than the Evolv X standoffs (which are flush with the depth of the backplate and screws connectiing the i/o shield on the Aorus Master). It just seems like I'm one of the unlucky people to have picked the wrong combination of motherboard and case to where they just aren't compatible stock.

One thing is for sure, never again will I buy a motherboard with a backplate.
Try glass washers under each standoff. They are the little red ones that fit around the threaded portion. I think they are fiberglass and not thick enough to throw your I/O devices out of alignment. But they should lift the board high enough off the MB tray to keep from grounding your system to the tray. You could likely stack two per standoff w/o issue. Might not correct the issue but they're cheap and worth a try.

It's entirely possible that the tray shifted during the manufacturing process enough to be out of side to side alignment. I have the original 932 and had to prop the board enough to correct a misaligned GPU that I couldn't get seated in the PCIe slot without fudging the slot. So worse things worse, you spent a couple of dollars on a low budget parts kit from Newegg or Microcenter to eliminate that possibility. Traditionally there is nothing wrong with backplates on motherboards. Not even aftermarket block plates. Most aftermarket block manufacturers have bed doing it long enough that they clear possible contact points. Maybe it is an issue. I couldn't say for certain since I am not near enough to you to put a real life eyeball gauge on it. Hope these ideas help. Been through it myself and it truly sucks.

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If your mounting the GPU vertical just be aware your temps will be 10-15C higher then with the window off. I have tested this several times with my 1080 Ti Lighting which has the largest cooler of any 1080 Ti so its a good example of the air that's being restricted. It has not caused me any issues as far as performance while gaming but i wanted to make buyers beware and i am using the 3 slot mounting point which pulls the gpu further back from the glass.
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And then Kraken X62 on the front. What do you guys think? I searched for builds w/ the Gigabyte Waterforce AIO but not many out there. I am not sure if the tube length is ideal for top mount. Thanks!

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Hello guys im a new EOLV X owner and first time EVER Phantecs user, my last cases were Define R3, Define R4 Black, Define R4 Blackout, Define R5 Black and I have Define R6 Tempered Glass with USB-C upgrade waiting for 11 month brand new but i decided to buy EVOLV X
I was lead to believe by phantecs ads that it if not as big as R6, same size but more manageable, basically R6 supports 420 at top, i looked at the case length and they identical, i think X tad longer, but only after I ordered the case and opened the manual, Phantecs counted the front shroud with the air gap as part of the measure, so in reality X is much shorter.
Also it says everywhere that it can support 420mm RAD at the front, but based on user 44TZL from Page 6, GTS [slim 30mm rad] is apparently too wide [153mm] for the hole and there is nowhere Phantecs advertises how wide the hole is.

Can you help me with some questions regarding EVOLV X?
Im slowly collecting WC and otehr misc parts to build awesome build, currently my CPU 9900K and GPU 2080ti Gaming OC just run in my "old" build on z370 Gaming 7 mobo, when ill move to new case it will be z390 Master mobo with custom water cooling and tons of dead unicorns, the build will be soft tube but with Barrow quick disconnects, so whne i need to swap a new part and or clean ill be able to do it easily.


I have Black Ice Nemesis GTX360 [53mm thick] its intended for the top, so far no issues right?
For the front i got Black Ice Nemesis GTS240, just got it from amazon, but when i was ordering the EVOLV X i was thinking of sending it back and getting GTS420 for the front.
Based on 44TZL post, i wont be able to install it, its too wide
So what about GTS280 at the front?
Can i have at the top 53mm+25mm [thats the GTX with fans] + 5mm [Fan brackets to improve air flow], so 83mm and I have Fan ARGB HALOS so thats 2mm more: 85mm total.

Im also considering about swapping my 240mm GTS to another 360 for the front, GTS or maybe GTX, what do you think is it possible?
Additionally im considering of keeping my parts as is, installing my 240mm rad to the lowest space and have case intake as two 120mm bottom fans for the rad installation and 140mm above them for more airflow
In this case if I position my top GTX with water ports to the Front of the case i might be able to install 120mm GTX rad at the rear or in worst case 120GTS?


In worse case [which not really worse but worse for me], I can install 53mm 280GTX at the top with ports to case back [no rear fan or rad] and then ill have space to install my 85mm mess at the case intake.
It looks like best solution Radiator-wise BUT, i will have Three 3.5 inch HDDs in the PSU cage, if i wont be able to use the 4 original cages due to front rad and PSU sizes, I Ordered a plastic HDD cage that can hold 3 HDDs one on top of each other,
and it only takes space of a single Phanteck dual HDD cage, so I dont want the main, biggest, thickest rad, blowing hot air inside PSU chamber with my three mechanical HDDs and no otehr airflow to pump the hot air out.
Also it will heat up the PSU, even thou it has no intake holes inside the case, it will be hot because the area around it will be hot.

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Good god building in this case with an E-ATX motherboard is the most awful experience I've had building PC's in the past 15 years! Why are case manufacturers still using straight USB front panel connectors this day in age. I can't use my front panel USB thanks to the awkward positioning on the motherboard connectors and where the case frame is for pass through spaces, I'm forced to use my stock psu cables or remove all the clips from my sleeved cables, and cable management covers are a nightmare when routing cables or if you try to take them off carefully you still end up punching the edge of the case as the panel flies off. Not pleased!

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Good god building in this case with an E-ATX motherboard is the most awful experience I've had building PC's in the past 15 years! Why are case manufacturers still using straight USB front panel connectors this day in age. I can't use my front panel USB thanks to the awkward positioning on the motherboard connectors and where the case frame is for pass through spaces, I'm forced to use my stock psu cables or remove all the clips from my sleeved cables, and cable management covers are a nightmare when routing cables or if you try to take them off carefully you still end up punching the edge of the case as the panel flies off. Not pleased!

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Why not m simply replace them with aftermarket cables???

You can get them at any length with 90° connection at one end. Problem solved and rant wasted.

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