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post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-06-2019, 09:21 AM
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Well since everyone makes their personal suggestion I may as well add mine.
Then i will add one more suggestion, he could use a Big black box like the one shown in the pic posted below



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How many rads and config? How low can you keep your fans?
I have just one Rad in the front but not because it is necessary but for other reasons, i am using Lian Li Bora Fans which are running at its rated speed 2000Rpm and 30 dB(A) even running at that speed i am quite happy and honestly they are not that loud
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I know it is not on your original list, but may I suggest the Littledevil PC-V7. FrozenCPU is trying to clear out their inventory, they have new ones for $150. Quite a deal when they normally cost 500 bucks straight from LD. I have been very happy with mine. In the timeframe of 2010 or some LD was considered a rival of Caselabs so that gives you an idea of the build quality. They can fit a 240+360 rad or a 280+420 rad. Airflow is excellent. Not as large as the V3000WX but the layout is just right so it can fit a ton of hardware.
loopks nice, but too small for what I need, which is a minimum of 6x120mm in total capacity.

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Well since everyone makes their personal suggestion I may as well add mine.

I would go with an external Radiator and in particular the MO-RA3 420 Pro Stainless Steel Edition + Acrylic Feet + Stainless Steel Rombus Grills. It is much nicer in person than on the image and great quality and clean inside. Yet you need to put some work down to make the connection with your PC pretty and easily detachable for maintenance (I am still working on mine) but it can be done.

This way you can forget all the trouble of achieving proper airflow with any case. It can't get more efficient than this with any case that has panels "constipating" airflow at the front and then 3-4 radiators competing with each other with various air streams cross-flowing and creating turbulence. Then choose whatever case you like and without radiators enjoy the ample space to do whatever your want with it & achieve great airflow and all with the lowest possible fans speeds (and dust).

Now this is not for everyone and I know most people hate external rads but if you think about it and all of the advantages it can grow on you. I am not going back to internal rads again for big builds.
If you have the space and the mood to work on it in order to make it pretty, consider it. It is working great for me and my PC is the most silent PC I ever had (sig system).

Now when I am done modding my Cosmos 2 (need custom paint job + nickel plating) and I am ready to move on I would wish for a successor to the Enthoo Elite with the same design (exterior) as the Evolv-X at the front and perhaps some more curves/angles to spice it up...but then again I don't like "boxy" utilitarian looks and that is why I never bought a Lia-Li or Caselabd and never would - too boxy for my taste but great cases nonetheless.

Appearance is a personal matter and you are the one that will stare at you box everyday.


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Here is my MO-RA3 420. I am designing some parts (stainless steel/plexi) that will conceal all the tubes and wires on the side of the radiator and will also change all the tubing to black EPDM covered with stainless steel springs. I will also install a second ball valve so that I can easily disconnect it without draining it. I can do so now by holding the tubes up - no spillage worth worrying about.

MORA3 is something I've been thinking about, even putting it up on a shelf like you did. It's also, fine with 120x9 or 140x9 as far as I know. Also, it's easier to maintain, especially since I'm planing to use QDCs for everything to make it really simple to swap components.
The only question is: how low can its vents run to cool what amount of hardware? It's like 3x360, a bit worse maybe than something like 3 EKWB's 360 65mm I presume...

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Then i will add one more suggestion, he could use a Big black box like the one shown in the pic posted below





I have just one Rad in the front but not because it is necessary but for other reasons, i am using Lian Li Bora Fans which are running at its rated speed 2000Rpm and 30 dB(A) even running at that speed i am quite happy and honestly they are not that loud
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With the MORA you could also do like I'm planning.. put it behind the monitor and combine it with a vesa arm for the monitor.

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loopks nice, but too small for what I need, which is a minimum of 6x120mm in total capacity.




MORA3 is something I've been thinking about, even putting it up on a shelf like you did. It's also, fine with 120x9 or 140x9 as far as I know. Also, it's easier to maintain, especially since I'm planing to use QDCs for everything to make it really simple to swap components.
The only question is: how low can its vents run to cool what amount of hardware? It's like 3x360, a bit worse maybe than something like 3 EKWB's 360 65mm I presume...
There are two versions of the MO-RA3 360(120mm Fans) and the 420 (140mm fans). Each is like 3X 360 or 420 Radiators but less restrictive and more efficient since this is outside the case and all the surface gets fresh unrestricted air. I have it placed net to the coldest wall in the room and I run 9X Corsair ML140 Pro fans with it at 450-500 rpm. It can cool the 7940X overclocked (over 450 Watt) & 1080Ti overclocked 280-300 Watt without breaking a sweat and without raising the fan speeds. The water temps never exceeded 28C in my case either.

There are also color variations and as I said I suggest the Stainless steel version + a Rhombus Fan grill. It's more expensive than the black version but the finish is worth it and because it is polished it blends with its background nicely, especially while on a shelf against a open colored wall.

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I think you need to consider what your cooling before jumping into big case territory. The options get shrunken down while possibly making 0 effect to your end game goal. I have the v3000, I do like it but it has outdated features. If your looking into modding and making improvements the v3000 is a good platform. However, if all your cooling is 1 hdet setup and 1 gpu. Such a large case is simply overkill. As a real life example of mine. I have a rog pc-o11 and a v3000 in the same corner of my room. My rog case has a 9900k and a 2080ti in it. I can tell you it is very quiet under load and the temps are very much in line. We are talking mid 40s for gpu and I am using LL fans not exactly the best fans in performance talk. Meanwhile my v3000 has a x299 setup that has watercooled vrm, 2x 2080ti, and a 7960x on 2 480s. Obviously its a lot more heat and my temps are not as good as rog case. Just sitting there idle my water temp is 5-6c higher on the v3000. So if you want more options case wise then really evaluate what your trying to cool and you will have more options. As per the 3 cases you listed, the 1000d is a waste without dual system, the elite is nice but overpriced to an extent. Mind you btw I have like a 27c ambient lol.
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There are two versions of the MO-RA3 360(120mm Fans) and the 420 (140mm fans). Each is like 3X 360 or 420 Radiators
Are there any negative sides of the 140mm version? Since it's more surface area.

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I think you need to consider what your cooling before jumping into big case territory. The options get shrunken down while possibly making 0 effect to your end game goal. I have the v3000, I do like it but it has outdated features. If your looking into modding and making improvements the v3000 is a good platform. However, if all your cooling is 1 hdet setup and 1 gpu. Such a large case is simply overkill. As a real life example of mine. I have a rog pc-o11 and a v3000 in the same corner of my room. My rog case has a 9900k and a 2080ti in it. I can tell you it is very quiet under load and the temps are very much in line. We are talking mid 40s for gpu and I am using LL fans not exactly the best fans in performance talk. Meanwhile my v3000 has a x299 setup that has watercooled vrm, 2x 2080ti, and a 7960x on 2 480s. Obviously its a lot more heat and my temps are not as good as rog case. Just sitting there idle my water temp is 5-6c higher on the v3000. So if you want more options case wise then really evaluate what your trying to cool and you will have more options. As per the 3 cases you listed, the 1000d is a waste without dual system, the elite is nice but overpriced to an extent. Mind you btw I have like a 27c ambient lol.
It's not new to me tho. I was a large case user since 2001. when I moved to ultra-big towers from TT and my first water build was custom loop back in 2002., my last big case was Obsidian 800D back in 2014. but I've moved to mid-cases somewhere in 2015. and I'm not happy with GPUs cooled on air, which with cards going 300W and upwards these days, makes it all more important.

http://www.lian-li.com/pc-o11-wgx-rog-edition/ ?
Hmm.

I'm currently running a hackintosh and win machine 9900K and Vega FE+2080Ti. The new would be 9900X with dual RTX Titan under water (2x300W). All needs to be super-quiet under full load.
The idea with Obsdidian was indeed of moving to ITX with 9900K and keeping it in the same loop as the big brother machine.

MORA seems a nice solution, easier to maintain too, but it's messy, that's all that annoys me.

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