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What would you suggest for a set of $500 Headphones?

I currently using a set of Audio Technica ATH-M40x's that I picked up from Amazon back in November of 2015. In April of 2019, I got the Bluetooth adapter for the headphones and they are now my dedicated Bluetooth headset.
For gaming, I'm using the HyperX Cloud Revolver S headset, which I'm not a big fan of sound-wise, but I wanted to pick myself up a dedicated headset.



The reason why I'm here is that I'm wanting to step up the audio quality of my wired headphones:
1. The ATH-M40x's were never loud enough on their own, I ended up buying a cheap headphone amplifier and it did the trick.
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2. The ATH-M40's are now my Bluetooth headphones.

3. The HyperX Cloud Revolver S headset audio quality just isn't cutting it.



Ideally, I'd like to get a set of headphones and then some type of clip-on mic, but that's not a priority.
*I'm wanting to spend around $500 on headphones or setup that doesn't include a mic.*
My audio is coming directly off my motherboard, which is an Asus Z370-A.

Does anyone have any suggestions or would you be able to help guide me towards what I'm looking for?

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I'm about at the end of my audio journey.

I'd recommend either new or used HD6XX and a JDS Labs Atom. Should pay no more than $300.00 for that setup.
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There are infinite possibilities when it come to audio, there are some stuff that are just plug and play and you will enjoy no matter what you like.

Fast and easy? HD6xx + Modi 3 (Maybe check the SMSL models too) + JDS atom then Add a modmic (USB is not bad but the 5 is the best version and is barely available anywhere)
If the cans are used mainly for gaming you can cut cost by skipping the modi and the atom by getting the Fulla 3 (Which will add a mic 3.5mm for your mic)

Me personally play a lot of FPS and love to listen to EDM, What I did was got an AD900x for gaming (Amazing sound stage and imaging) with a modmic 5 and a Beyerdynamic custom studio for music (All running through modi 3 and an atom)


So what I would recommend, the Modi 3 + Atom combo is $200 and is one of the best bang for your buck audio upgrades.
The modmic after personal usage (Used the 4 and the 5 and the Uni) are easy to use sound great and the modularity was key for me.
Headphones are the tricky part, you do you, check around read what peoples "opinions" are and make the purchase based on what you like.


Can recommend some options if you tell me what kind of music you listen to + If the gaming part is more about the single player experience (Immersion) or the multi player experience (Imaging and soundstage)

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Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80ohm, Fun V-shaped sound with pretty good sound stage for a closed can, Nice bass.
Beyerdynamic DT990 250ohm, Fun V-shaped sound with good sound stage, also a nice impactful bass. (open back)
Beyerdynamic DT880 250ohm, More balanced sound, ok sound stage (semi open back)

Sennheiser HD600, great imaging, nice balance... little bass
Sennheiser HD650, great imaging, great balance, a little more "meaty" then the HD600

Grado SR80E, good imaging, good soundstage, good mids, good (maybe to crisp) highs, shallow bass... Great for Rock/Bleugrass/Country

Audioqeust Nighthawk (standard edition) Super fun sound, great imaging, good soundstage, good bass... overblown mid-bass though BUT once you EQ it become's just Amazing! (for its price) after EQ: Deepest bass that will rumble your head like no tomorrow with great balanced mids and highs, can go extremely loud with no distortion. (would absolutely pick these headphones if you don't mind to EQ them, if you don't want to EQ i would pass on them) (can give you the EQ settings to)

Have personal experience with all these headphone's, others i have experience with are sadly not in your price range

For Dac/amps something like been suggested before

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Quote: Originally Posted by Awsan View Post
There are infinite possibilities when it come to audio, there are some stuff that are just plug and play and you will enjoy no matter what you like.

Fast and easy? HD6xx + Modi 3 (Maybe check the SMSL models too) + JDS atom then Add a modmic (USB is not bad but the 5 is the best version and is barely available anywhere)
If the cans are used mainly for gaming you can cut cost by skipping the modi and the atom by getting the Fulla 3 (Which will add a mic 3.5mm for your mic)

Me personally play a lot of FPS and love to listen to EDM, What I did was got an AD900x for gaming (Amazing sound stage and imaging) with a modmic 5 and a Beyerdynamic custom studio for music (All running through modi 3 and an atom)


So what I would recommend, the Modi 3 + Atom combo is $200 and is one of the best bang for your buck audio upgrades.
The modmic after personal usage (Used the 4 and the 5 and the Uni) are easy to use sound great and the modularity was key for me.
Headphones are the tricky part, you do you, check around read what peoples "opinions" are and make the purchase based on what you like.


Can recommend some options if you tell me what kind of music you listen to + If the gaming part is more about the single player experience (Immersion) or the multi player experience (Imaging and soundstage)
The music I listen to is all over the place, but having a better quality lower-end bass would probably be more of what I'm looking for. It could be EDM, Rap, 'viking' type music, classical, or even someone just play an instrument like the hurry-gurdy. It all depends on what I'm doing or even what game I'm playing.
Gaming can range from basic COD multiplayer or Arma 3 multiplayer where I'm the type to turn up the volume so I can hear people walking/moving around, to a racing game where I could be in the mood to listen in the in-game music or just turn the music off and listen to the game itself.


Quote: Originally Posted by Farih View Post
Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80ohm, Fun V-shaped sound with pretty good sound stage for a closed can, Nice bass.
Beyerdynamic DT990 250ohm, Fun V-shaped sound with good sound stage, also a nice impactful bass. (open back)
Beyerdynamic DT880 250ohm, More balanced sound, ok sound stage (semi open back)

Sennheiser HD600, great imaging, nice balance... little bass
Sennheiser HD650, great imaging, great balance, a little more "meaty" then the HD600

Grado SR80E, good imaging, good soundstage, good mids, good (maybe to crisp) highs, shallow bass... Great for Rock/Bleugrass/Country

Audioqeust Nighthawk (standard edition) Super fun sound, great imaging, good soundstage, good bass... overblown mid-bass though BUT once you EQ it become's just Amazing! (for its price) after EQ: Deepest bass that will rumble your head like no tomorrow with great balanced mids and highs, can go extremely loud with no distortion. (would absolutely pick these headphones if you don't mind to EQ them, if you don't want to EQ i would pass on them) (can give you the EQ settings to)

Have personal experience with all these headphone's, others i have experience with are sadly not in your price range

For Dac/amps something like been suggested before
I believe I'm going more for the mid to low end for the music I listen to.
For open-back vs closed-back headphones, how much of a difference is there when it comes to others hearing the music I'm listening to or noise-canceling if someone was blaring music/video games/movies down a short hall in the living room?
-I've never used open-back headphones so I'm unfamiliar. My closed-back headphones aren't marketed as noise-canceling, but they do a well enough job at blocking noise that isn't coming from my computer.

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Open back everyone will hear your music so they are not "public" friendly.

For "personal" space Open backs generally are better.

I'm using Sennheiser HD660s running off a Topping A50 Amp and so far I really like it.

Works great in gaming and the 660s have pretty good imaging so locating players in games based off sound is a non issue.

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The AKG Q701's are amazing if you want something with a large soundstage, and at that price point you're not going to find anything better. The HD600/660S are safe choices.



You're going to need an amp to drive all those listed (and possibly a dac if noise is present). The Objective2+ODAC is a great piece of kit for somebody on a tight budget. You can find one used for dirt cheap.

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Fidelio X2! Or wait for the X3 to launch, they were rumored to launch "early 2020" and some reviewers got samples but so far they're MIA.

X2 (and X3) are semi-open though, I don't really have a closed headphone recommendation. I've got M50X and they are no where near what a $100 (ish) pair of headphones should sound like and even with aftermarket pads they're annoyingly uncomfortable.

motherboard will drive them (X2/X3) fine, they're both only 30 ohm. I run mine off my Schiit Hel and it's overkill, but I mostly just bought it to have a physical volume and mic input knob. It VASTLY improved my mic sound quality, headphones sound about the same as it did off my motherboard.

fairly entertaining review when they were $300, they're ~$150 nowadays:


Fidelio X2 even with the Schiit Hel should still leave you with ~$100 left in your pocket too, or you could go for something cheaper than the Hel (like the FiiO E10K) and save another $100. I ran a E10K before I got my Hel

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+1 on the Fidelio X2HR
Although taste will vary, whatever headphone you pick
Check it's actual raw accuracy on
https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/Aut...master/results
Oratory's measurements are more accurate - and retune them

Unlike passive and active studio speakers, which follow a room frequency response and unified "correct" tuning
IEMs and Headphones doesn't
Soo i strongly suggest to retune your gear, be it just to make 10$ bucks sound better or fix even up to the Sennheiser HD6xx or AKG's set

Keep in mind, whatever headphone/iem you pick
To also factor in that the good ones ~ now including the HiFiMAN Sundara, will leak
Soo you might want to consider the Wireless Mic route with a set of lavalier + mini amp/dac

Wireless gear remains to be overpriced, and halfway useless
Because you need to not only include the cost for the wireless transmission license (100-150$ for AptX HD) or have luck with Sony LDAC support/MQA even
but then also add in the cost of a mini amp and mini dac
Mini everything, will result in mini signatur with mini price
~ keep that in mind on every wireless gear you buy, factor at least 200+ alone for the wireless part without the speakers included

To headphones/iems
low impedance ones usually are your better bet, but these are hard to drive and sensitive
Get a clean usb dac - and no, pcie ones are not a good one ~ often even on board ones are better while still noisy
With very sensitive gear you can even hear usb soundcards noise, not to speak about on board ones

Sundara's are great tbh, but they need a good build around them
And they need dacs from XYZ company, which can impedance match
High current output is often a waste, neverless what dac company you decide to go for ~ their amp has to be clean and has to impedance match
The jump is most of the times 120-150$ when you compare sound quality on it's own
Fidelios are for 150ish $ right now, Sundara starts at 350
There are way to many options to list them, it depends on what you listen to and you need to focus on your chains
Because even a well painted poopi signal, remains a poopi signal at source ~ neverless how clear you reproduce and paint it

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Fidelio X2! Or wait for the X3 to launch, they were rumored to launch "early 2020" and some reviewers got samples but so far they're MIA.

X2 (and X3) are semi-open though, I don't really have a closed headphone recommendation. I've got M50X and they are no where near what a $100 (ish) pair of headphones should sound like and even with aftermarket pads they're annoyingly uncomfortable.

motherboard will drive them (X2/X3) fine, they're both only 30 ohm. I run mine off my Schiit Hel and it's overkill, but I mostly just bought it to have a physical volume and mic input knob. It VASTLY improved my mic sound quality, headphones sound about the same as it did off my motherboard.

fairly entertaining review when they were $300, they're ~$150 nowadays:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y2ZZxcBZ88

Fidelio X2 even with the Schiit Hel should still leave you with ~$100 left in your pocket too, or you could go for something cheaper than the Hel (like the FiiO E10K) and save another $100. I ran a E10K before I got my Hel
Any input on the Schiit Fulla instead of the E10k?

Quote: Originally Posted by Veii View Post
+1 on the Fidelio X2HR
Although taste will vary, whatever headphone you pick
Check it's actual raw accuracy on
https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/Aut...master/results
Oratory's measurements are more accurate - and retune them

Unlike passive and active studio speakers, which follow a room frequency response and unified "correct" tuning
IEMs and Headphones doesn't
Soo i strongly suggest to retune your gear, be it just to make 10$ bucks sound better or fix even up to the Sennheiser HD6xx or AKG's set

Keep in mind, whatever headphone/iem you pick
To also factor in that the good ones ~ now including the HiFiMAN Sundara, will leak
Soo you might want to consider the Wireless Mic route with a set of lavalier + mini amp/dac

Wireless gear remains to be overpriced, and halfway useless
Because you need to not only include the cost for the wireless transmission license (100-150$ for AptX HD) or have luck with Sony LDAC support/MQA even
but then also add in the cost of a mini amp and mini dac
Mini everything, will result in mini signatur with mini price
~ keep that in mind on every wireless gear you buy, factor at least 200+ alone for the wireless part without the speakers included

To headphones/iems
low impedance ones usually are your better bet, but these are hard to drive and sensitive
Get a clean usb dac - and no, pcie ones are not a good one ~ often even on board ones are better while still noisy
With very sensitive gear you can even hear usb soundcards noise, not to speak about on board ones

Sundara's are great tbh, but they need a good build around them
And they need dacs from XYZ company, which can impedance match
High current output is often a waste, neverless what dac company you decide to go for ~ their amp has to be clean and has to impedance match
The jump is most of the times 120-150$ when you compare sound quality on it's own
Fidelios are for 150ish $ right now, Sundara starts at 350
There are way to many options to list them, it depends on what you listen to and you need to focus on your chains
Because even a well painted poopi signal, remains a poopi signal at source ~ neverless how clear you reproduce and paint it
The X2HR's seem pretty good and they would seem to hit all of my points based on the review here:
I'm a push to talk guy, so having the mic pick up the headphones isn't a big deal.
They would also put me well within the budget.
It also uses a genic 3.5m so an inline mic would also fit in easily.

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