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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 09-22-2018, 06:03 PM - Thread Starter
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Need some help with advanced overclocking ddr3 HyperX Beast

Howdy, I'm having a lot of fun by overclocking the said RAM, it's precisely KHX2400C11T3K2/16X, although on their SPD it's KHX2400C11D3/8GX. Its XMP is 11-13-13-32-2T, which I managed to lower to 11-12-12-34-1T, I've also managed to drop some subtimings to the point that's shown by AIDA64 screen (bios only shows 1333MHz JEDEC timings, no matter how I set it). It's a Hynix MFR dies based kit, so going above rated 2400MHz results in significant performance decrease on same timings, that's why I'm trying to tighten timings as hard as possible, while remaining 24/7 stable. Any suggestions what and how could I lower further, fine tune? I run this kit with 1.7V DRAM Voltage, +0.3V VCCSA and +0.1V VCCIO A and D. There are also some timings available I can't find any info about, starting with tCPDED and honestly have no idea how to touch these.


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Work on the secondary timings leave territory on auto.
This is using Samsung DDR3 so they wont work for you but try drop each of the secondary timings listed here one at a time until it's as close to this as possible while remaining stable.
Except DRAM Refresh Interval which increases bandwidth a little at higher settings so just leave it alone for now.
Dram REF Cycle Time is tREF which is 96 for me and 314 for you so hopefully you can get it down a bit.
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Right now I score almost 36k MB/s read and ~48.7ns of latency in Aida64 benchmark. Will try as you suggest, when I messed with tertiary timings I couldn't drop tRFC below the 314 point.

What are your voltages though?

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That kit sucks to OC, the chips go nowhere past 2500-2550MHz and even that is a lottery. Miraculously you can boot something like 2600-2666MHz but never stable.
Pushing CL10 with voltages they don't like either in the long run.
So I run 2400 CL11 but tight and stable everything else:

And so on if you want to see some unstable insanities with these.
It doesn't like it when latency goes into 43 and lower, it gets too fast for it to be stable in long term. Gains from CL10 or 2500MHz are none, practically none at all. Plug them in, set them to XMP, as long as they run fine with that, forget them.
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Mine do boot at 2600MHz but read goes down to 32k-ish of read and latency is only decreasing a bit. Then it crashes afterward anyway, just as you say.

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Yeah it takes some fine tuning to get the read speed back at higher clocks, I managed to on some but not at higher and all I could do is just run some basic benches as AIDA, CPUz, Cinebench.

Mine won't even boot at 2600MHz unless I manually set everything just right as the auto setting don't make it boot.
Even the 2400CL11 I'm running I have every setting manually set as I have had issues a year ago and well I know one issue is just Firefox being damn too old or not liking my GPU or something, but even at 2500MHz I was getting troubles to boot first time right. I had a period where even stock pure stock would not like to boot and was reverting to 1333MHz, thinking I burned/degraded something with voltage, reseating and testing RAM vs slot combinations, resetting whole UEFI to default and or updating etc. eventually made it work again. Sometimes this stuff is so damn finicky once it breaks. It's best to leave the RAM running as is as long as it's stable.

You have to be lucky both on IMC and on RAM and a little also on your mobo and what settings it will use if you do not set everything (like 30+ settings) all by hand to a single locked value.
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tRFC dropped to 274, 10 hours (90 passes) of Modulo test in memtest86+, one single error in 9th pass - stable for me. Virtually no gains so I think I'm settled down. L2 read ratio jumps between 300 to 400GB/s so don't pay attention to it.
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Can you screenshot and share your settings in UEFI? I can do that and send them to you or post them here. I'm only running the 2400 CL11 though as anything higher requires BCLK change or is 2600MHz and that's very likely too high for my RAM and certainly too much hassle for no gain to bother with. It's one thing when the automatic settings work, it's another when one has to recalculate and set everything by hand and then tweak endlessly.
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Just to be clear, I have no idea what I'm doing nor I know where to find some knowledge. All I was able to notice is further decreasing secondary timings (except for tRFC) automatically decreased tWR as well, which resulted in higher latency, somehow. Voltages as mentioned before, VDRAM 1.7, VCCSA +0.3V (no actual reading available), VCCIO A/D+0.1V
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