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G.Skill 4600 C19 for Z390

Does anybody have experience with this kit? https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-4600c18d-16gtzr

I wonder if it would run on a Z390 Taichi and 9900k, this is pretty much the only kit I can get that's above 4000MHz, wanted the silver blingbling Royals but can't get them anywhere.

Now I still have my 3200 CL14 FlareX but these refuse to boot anything above 3600Mhz, even 18-18-18-38 @ 1.45V and 1.2V+ VCCIO/SA.

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They won't work at XMP, since the Taichi probably can't reach DDR4-4600 even with manual settings.

Your Flare X should have no issues to hit DDR4-4000+, however you might have to go with full manual timings & voltages if your boards fails to properly train them.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Martin778 View Post
Does anybody have experience with this kit? https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-4600c18d-16gtzr

I wonder if it would run on a Z390 Taichi and 9900k, this is pretty much the only kit I can get that's above 4000MHz, wanted the silver blingbling Royals but can't get them anywhere.

Now I still have my 3200 CL14 FlareX but these refuse to boot anything above 3600Mhz, even 18-18-18-38 @ 1.45V and 1.2V+ VCCIO/SA.
Some data points:

1. The Z390 Taichi specification doesn't list any specific memory frequencies beyond 4200.
2. The Z390 Taichi is NOT on the G.Skill QVL for that product.
3. No G.SKill product above 4133 is on the Taichi QVL.
4. I was able to get my G.Skill 2x8, [email protected] sticks to run at [email protected] on my Z390 Taichi, though it gave faster AIDA64 test results at [email protected] so that's where I'm running them.

Based on all this, it's highly unlikely to do 4600 with the XMP profile on the Z390 Taichi. So, you're likely to have to do a lot of custom timing/tuning to figure out how fast you can make it go. Personally, I'd buy a set that is on the QVL and "should" work at the XMP and you can then see if you can learn enough about memory tuning to make it go faster than that.

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I don't look at QVL's anymore since they rarely get updated, was hoping for hands-on experiences from users.
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The FlareX fails memory training straight away above 3600-3800.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Martin778 View Post
I don't look at QVL's anymore since they rarely get updated, was hoping for hands-on experiences from users.
I think the memory maker's QVL is kept fairly up-to-date with each new motherboard. It is likely that the motherboard makers don't maintain their list much after they launch. But, the Z390 boards are all new so their QVLs are probably pretty much up to date now. I prefer to use the memory makers QVL anyway. I had no problem finding lots of G.Skill options for my Taichi Z390 motherboard on their QVL. And, there's a reason that the part you're asking about isn't listed on the QVL for that board - it likely won't run at the rated speed on a board that doesn't purport to support that speed. G.Skill either didn't put it on the QVL because they know it doesn't work or because they were pretty sure it wouldn't run (given the board's other specs) and didn't even attempt to try.

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Now I still have my 3200 CL14 FlareX but these refuse to boot anything above 3600Mhz, even 18-18-18-38 @ 1.45V and 1.2V+ VCCIO/SA.
It's interesting that the FlareX brand was launched to be AMD Ryzen compatible. I wonder if that makes it any less compatible with Intel processors (could it have something on it that is optimized for the Ryzen IMC/memory controller)? Anyway, you're playing the silicon lottery when trying to overclock DRAM past its XMP rating. Sometimes it works well, sometimes it doesn't - it's a bit luck of the draw. When I was trying to do 4x8 DRAM, I found the Z390 Taichi often needed multiple boot attempts to train properly. It would fail to boot, I'd press F2 and try to boot again. Sometimes by the 3rd time it would train and then I could launch Windows. With my current 2x8 set, I don't have that training problem any more (training is a lot more complicated with 4 ranks (whether 2x16 or 4x8).

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FWIW, My Z370 Taichi works with any sane setting (XMP, manual, tight, loose) at speeds 4000 and below, POST's first time every time. Any speed above 4000 using b-die 8GB sticks requires anywhere from 3-50 restarts to train memory. Once it POST's, it is rock solid every restart after that, unless you change some memory setting that requires retraining, then I have to do it all over again. Currently running 4266 XMP sticks at 4266 16-17-17-32 2T with aggressive tunes subtimings on taichi Z370, but it did require 30 restarts last time I changed settings for it to POST.

a high end board designed for high memory OC with only 2 ram slots will do higher speeds more reliably.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Martin778 View Post
The FlareX fails memory training straight away above 3600-3800.
It is not the memory that fails training but the board.

So unless you want to upgrade your MB, just configure timings/voltages manually and they will very likely max out your board.

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Z390 Taichi has one of the best memory support capabilities and Asrock advertises 4200+...
G.Skill advertises FlareX as AMD compatible but the sticker also says "Intel XMP 2.0". Maybe they have both profiles which activate depending on what platform you use them on?

4133 CL19 is on the QVL list (so again - not the board) but that doesn't seem like a worthwile step up from 3200 CL14.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Martin778 View Post
Z390 Taichi has one of the best memory support capabilities and Asrock advertises 4200+...
G.Skill advertises FlareX as AMD compatible but the sticker also says "Intel XMP 2.0". Maybe they have both profiles which activate depending on what platform you use them on?

4133 CL19 is on the QVL list (so again - not the board) but that doesn't seem like a worthwile step up from 3200 CL14.
I think you're underestimating 4133 CL19 vs. 3200 CL14. While latency may be similar in nanoseconds, the raw transfer speed is going to be a lot more with 4133. And, you may be able to run the 4133 at CL17 or CL18 (based on my b-die experience).

Remember latency is just to initiate an operation, then it's clock speed for transferring data. Both come into play (depending upon the specific operation), but don't underestimate the effect of the faster clock. There's no free lunch with latency. A good b-die chip is going to have pretty much the same latency in nano-seconds at whatever speed you run it at, but will have a faster transfer speed at the higher clocks.

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The raw throughput will surely be higher, it's more about availability and price difference vs 3200C14.
4600 costs more than 2x of what 3200CL14 kits go for but if it won't even work, I won't bother.

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