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Help configuring ASRock Z390 with G.SKill DDR4 4266

Hi everyone,

I have an ASRock Taichi Ultimate along with the i9 9900k, running G.Skill DDR4 4266 RAM. The timings are:

1.4v
tCL 19
tRCD 19
tRP 19
tRAS 39
tRFC 748
tRRD_L 11
tRRD_S 8
tFAW 52

The above numbers come from the DRAM XMP Profile in BIOS. This is the RAM: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820232497

However, I cannot get the system to boot with any changes made in BIOS. I realize running at 4266 will be next to impossible. I can't even get this system to run at 4000. I need help here, as I'm not experienced with overclocking machines (I typically create Xeon workstations that run with the XMP profile of the RAM running at the max. for the processor like 2400 - never exceptional RAM like this!).

I can't even start to overclock my processor because this RAM issue is preventing any settings from BIOS to stick. HELP!!!!
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Turn the speed down to something reasonable and start overclocking manually. It's hard enough to get 4000mhz kits to work outside of the QVL, let alone faster. The CPU's IMC has to be just right and your board has to be just right. If the kit is mentioned in your QVL I'd RMA one or the other.
3200mhz is where ram stops showing much improvement in games with current GPUs, I'd start at 3600mhz and leave the timing loose like it would be on the current kit. Then just bump the speed until you find the last stable speed and lower the timings from there.
If you're overclocking the CPU and cache, do it before you work on the ram.

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My problem is that the BIOS has AUTO and it has manual. The manual settings for RAM are literally 50-60 options. If I leave it in AUTO it runs at 1066 !! I'd be happy to run this kit in 3600. Really strange, though, because cheaper G.Skill 3600 speed kits work flawlessly in AUTO on my 8086 build.
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manually set mhz...
only set the main timings leave all else auto


also try

up vccio and vccsa to 1.3 1.32

maybe 1.35 if necessary

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Hi,
Only asrock listed on the qvl is a x299 board :/
https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-4266c19d-16gtzr
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VCCIO and SA voltage = ?

Quote: Originally Posted by MrFahrenheit View Post
My problem is that the BIOS has AUTO and it has manual. The manual settings for RAM are literally 50-60 options. If I leave it in AUTO it runs at 1066 !! I'd be happy to run this kit in 3600. Really strange, though, because cheaper G.Skill 3600 speed kits work flawlessly in AUTO on my 8086 build.

if you just enable XMP on a high frequency kit on an AsRock board you're going to get terrible performance, AsRock's auto settings are way looser than they should be. Take 5 minutes and punch in the secondaries manually. My old 3600 CL17 kit outperformed by 4133 C17 kit because it set them so loose on auto.

regardless, my Taichi won't boot above ~4135, even at silly timings and voltages. you bought the wrong board if you want crazy RAM speeds.
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As The Pook said, the Taichi has trouble training memory above 4000/4133MHz to get all the secondary and tertiary timings to something that will boot.

So, I'd suggest you start at 4000MHz where I found my Taichi worked pretty easily. The general idea is to start with fairly loose timings to get things booted and then either move up frequency from there or tighten the timings to improve speed at that frequency. I'd suggest you try this:

Make absolutely sure your DIMMs are in the right two slots. For two DIMMs, you should be use DDR4_A2 and DDR4_B2. Look on your motherboard diagram in the manual if you don't know which two slots those are.

Do not load your XMP profile.

DRAM Voltage: 1.45V
VCCIO: 1.25V (this can be lowered later, I'm running 1.18V for my 4000MHz profile or 1.22V for my 4133MHz profile)
VCCSA: 1.25V (this can be lowered later, I'm running 1.18V for my 4000MHz profile or 1.22V for my 4133MHz profile)
Frequency: 4000MHz (a place to start where ASRock is better at memory training)
Primary Timings: 18-18-39 (The ASRock board only has one setting for tRCD and tRP as they are always set the same which is why only three primaries are listed here)
Command Rate: 2
tRRD_L: 11 (can go as low as 5 for B-die at 1.45V on this board)
tRRD_S: 8 (can go as low as 4 for B-die at 1.45V on this board)
tFAW: 52 (this is your XMP value so is safe for now, can go lower later)
tRFC: 400 (can go as low as 280-300 when tweaking performance later)

Leave all other timings on "auto".

Save BIOS change, I'd suggest saving a profile called "Memory Test" so can easily get back to this if you need to and then attempt to boot.

Watch it like a hawk, but let it alone for awhile. It may take as long as 10 minutes to go through a bunch of cycles where it tries to train the memory and find a combination of settings that works. It may power down and restart itself a few times. It should eventually put something on the screen and it will either look like a normal boot or it will put up an error message indicating it couldn't boot normally.

If you get a normal boot, let it go into Windows and see how that goes.

If you get the error message about it not booting, immediately press F2 to go into the BIOS. When it goes into the BIOS, it will have booted with JEDEC default memory settings 2133MHz, but your previously modified settings will still be there in the BIOS so you can tweak them.

If it truly gets stuck and never puts anything up on the screen, then hold your power switch on the case down until it shuts down, then power up again. It should come up. Press F2 to get into the BIOS. One thing I found amazing about the Taichi is that is never once forced me to clear the CMOS and start completely over. It seems to be pretty good at recognizing that it can't boot and then reverting to default settings (without wiping the CMOS) so it can boot and let you into the BIOS.

Where to go from here obviously depends upon which outcome you get. At 1.45V, I'm able to run primary timings as low as 15-17-17-37 @ 4000MHz on my Taichi. You can see all my detailed timings here.

Trying 18-18-18-39 @ 4000 is meant to be very conservative. If it doesn't boot, you can go even more conservative with 19-19-19-39 @ 4000. If it does boot and tests as stable, you should very easily be able to do 17-17-17-39 @ 4000 and can probably drop tCL as low as 15, though apparently RGB versions of G.Skill don't always clock as fast as non-RGB versions.

Post back what happens.

Once you find your first configuration that boots successfully into Windows, before trying anything faster, you need to establish whether it's actually stable or not with a good memory test. My favorite memory test tool is Karhu's RAMTest (very small purchase required) as it's really easy to use and seems to find errors pretty quickly. Other ones regularly used here are PassMark's MemTest86 (freeware version), HCI MemTest (freeware) and Google stressapptest (open source). For 16GB, you should run a memory test at least 3 hours to see if it's really stable. Later when you have a chance, you should run one overnight too, just to be sure. It's a massive wasted of time to assume you have something stable, start working on tightening up timings and then later you find you actually aren't stable. You don't know what stable point to go back to and you essentially end up starting over. Resist the temptation to plow forward quickly with faster timings without establishing stability as you go. If you do, you may have to back up a long ways when you fail a memory test.

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I haven't had any time to input these values into BIOS and troubleshoot (been buying too much on eBay that I've had to test within the 30 day window [dual E5-2696v4 anyone?]).

That being said, I see comments above saying I basically bought the wrong board, or that this board won't give me the performance I'm looking for. Okay, I'm willing to throw some money at it, am I better off ditching this ASRock board and going with something else (like an ASUS or Gigabyte board)? I have an 8086k running on a Gigabyte z370 board, and that thing overclocked in two clicks, literally. There was a setting in the BIOS for something like 'overclock - just works' and it had 8700k, selected it, and the chip runs 5.0 GHz no other changes input. I like that. Would the Gigabyte Aurus Z390 offer simple overclocking like that as well?

The main reason I bought such fast RAM is that I thought it would have no problem running at 4000MHz or even 4133 MHz (based on it being 4266 RAM). Was I wrong in this thinking? I paid a bundle for the RAM I guess I could have just bought their 3600 kit and moved on (which I did on a few 8086k builds I have done).

Thoughts on this? Keep trying this ASRock board, or ditch it for something else? If so, what, exactly?
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The board is a great board but you'd be better off with ram on the QVL. What do you do that's that sensitive to ram speed? Past a certain point there's no tangible difference in almost anything.
The XMP on a lot of these 4kmhz kits are a bit silly anyway, to really benefit from ram like that you need to configure almost everything manually anyway. The best ram results I've seen was configured manually and wouldn't boot XMP, this is all factory binned overclockable stuff that requires user configuration to get the best out of it.
The auto stuff usually overvolts to maintain lower clocks than you'd get manually.

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VCCIO and SA voltage = ?




if you just enable XMP on a high frequency kit on an AsRock board you're going to get terrible performance, AsRock's auto settings are way looser than they should be. Take 5 minutes and punch in the secondaries manually. My old 3600 CL17 kit outperformed by 4133 C17 kit because it set them so loose on auto.

regardless, my Taichi won't boot above ~4135, even at silly timings and voltages. you bought the wrong board if you want crazy RAM speeds.
I tried inputting your settings from the screenshot, then noticed that the inputs are about twice as many as you show, and there's a slider in your screenshot. So with half the numbers entered from yours, I input AUTO on the remaining, and it would not boot.

This motherboard and RAM combo is really starting to get on my nerves.
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