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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 04-10-2019, 03:08 AM - Thread Starter
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what should I buy, lower speed better timings or slightly higher speed worse timings?

if you had to pick between say 3000 mhz cl 15-16-16 and 3200 mhz cl 16-18-18, which one would you pick and why?

to me it feels like the first option would have more chance of overclocking reasonably, in the worst case to atleast same level of the other option so 16-18-18 should be possible,
and for a MUCH cheaper price in this current shop im looking at, so that seems it would make it a good choice imo?


what would you do and why? and also what speeds/timings would you go for on these options and what would you consider likely to hit,
and would you even need to change vdimm/vccsa/vccio at all on these small overclocks you think?


sorry for noob question but having real hard time deciding have tried researching ram overclocking a lot but the obvious choice here still not clear to me,
on a pretty tight budget aswell otherwise I'd just get better ram or samsung b-die or something


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It will make a very tiny difference either way. Ram speed has a pretty small impact on most things, including games. I'd just get the cheaper one. It's not worth investing much time or money into getting much past 3000mhz-3200mhz ram.

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That depends on your CPU. Is it going to be an AMD CPU or an Intel CPU?


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What motherboard/cpu?

Would likely influence the decision. Budget? There are deals to be had, if you are willing to buy used and watch the forums/ebay etc.

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Doubt it matters both would be hynix kits
C15 would be 15-17-17-35
C16 would be 16-18-18-36

3200C16 would be a little faster neither would likely oc very much higher than it's rated speed but both sets are cheap for a reason hynix kits.

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Don't forget to translate the timings into real time when comparing. For example, 15 clock ticks at 3000MHz is the same actual time as 16 at 3200MHz:

15 / 3 GHz = 5 ns
16 / 3.2 GHz = 5 ns
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thanks for the answers so far


Quote: Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
That depends on your CPU. Is it going to be an AMD CPU or an Intel CPU?
intel 9600k on z390 I guess, I guess with ryzen it changes things a lot more and its more affected by ram speed and so on ?

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What motherboard/cpu?

Would likely influence the decision. Budget? There are deals to be had, if you are willing to buy used and watch the forums/ebay etc.

as it looks now 9600k with a cheaper gigabyte z390 board because of the decent VRMs on those for overclocking cpu, not sure how good / bad they are for memory,

looks like 3000 mhz cl15 is good if I can find a really good price on them or else I think i'll just go for 3200 mhz cl16, would prefer to buy new parts at this moment also
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thanks for the answers so far




intel 9600k on z390 I guess, I guess with ryzen it changes things a lot more and its more affected by ram speed and so on ?




as it looks now 9600k with a cheaper gigabyte z390 board because of the decent VRMs on those for overclocking cpu, not sure how good / bad they are for memory,

looks like 3000 mhz cl15 is good if I can find a really good price on them or else I think i'll just go for 3200 mhz cl16, would prefer to buy new parts at this moment also
Z390 AORUS PRO, I hope.

Anyway, yeah, with Intel, the timings are more important than the clock speed. With AMD, the clock speed is more important.

Hey, do you already have the 9600K? The reason I ask is, all of my research for my own upgrade plans tell me the 8700K is a much wiser purchase for gaming performance and overclocking.


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Quote: Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
Z390 AORUS PRO, I hope.

Anyway, yeah, with Intel, the timings are more important than the clock speed. With AMD, the clock speed is more important.

Hey, do you already have the 9600K? The reason I ask is, all of my research for my own upgrade plans tell me the 8700K is a much wiser purchase for gaming performance and overclocking.

well in my region 8700k is a lot more expensive than 9600k, like +150 euro or something like that, half the price of a 9600k more or less, I was contemplating a 8700 nonclocked for a while since both the 8700k and 8700 run 4.3 ghz all core turbo stock if im not mistaken, and for me it would be plenty really, even overclocked the fps gains are not that huge with a rtx 2060 from what I can see in game benchmarks,

reason I also was thinking of the 8700 was because of hyperthreading but after looking at a LOT of game benchmarks it really seems the 9600k is more than enough and the fps difference in many games are single digit at most, sometimes dead even, so was thinking get 9600k save some money and spend that on rest of build, maybe in a year or two get a 9700k/9900k or something like that if needed..

settled with going for 9600k since it really seems like the sweet spot for my needs anyway :S

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well in my region 8700k is a lot more expensive than 9600k, like +150 euro or something like that, half the price of a 9600k more or less, I was contemplating a 8700 nonclocked for a while since both the 8700k and 8700 run 4.3 ghz all core turbo stock if im not mistaken, and for me it would be plenty really, even overclocked the fps gains are not that huge with a rtx 2060 from what I can see in game benchmarks,

reason I also was thinking of the 8700 was because of hyperthreading but after looking at a LOT of game benchmarks it really seems the 9600k is more than enough and the fps difference in many games are single digit at most, sometimes dead even, so was thinking get 9600k save some money and spend that on rest of build, maybe in a year or two get a 9700k/9900k or something like that if needed..

settled with going for 9600k since it really seems like the sweet spot for my needs anyway :S

IDK
One thing you haven't seen yet then is how the frametimes are a little better on average with the 8700K, which can mean you won't notice as much 'sticking' or 'hitching' in games.

I dunno, it's just that in all my research, everything points to just these few words: do not buy the 9600K. The 8700K is much better. Even the 9700K has similar frametime performance issues to the 9600K. Something's not quite right with those CPUs...


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