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G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3200Mhz Overclocking Help

So i've got my hands on a rather "cheap" opportunity to grab a Kit of those Trident Z RGB's (F4-3200C14D-32GTZR). I heard these have so called "B-Dies" which should handle a decent enough overclock.


Im completely unexperienced when it comes to overclocking RAM, regardless of which Type. Only did some OC on my GPU as well as my CPU.

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All OC on the CPU & GPU are stable and have been tested in a 8h Stresstest. No Issues there.

What im aiming for is a 24/7 ready OC. Which should obviously not hurt the Hardware at all.


I'd appreciate if some of you Overclockers would be so kind to give me some Tips maybe even Step-By-Step Guide on how to get some more Juice out of that Kit what i paid a good amount of money for. Even if it's minor or not even noticeable on a daily base.

Edit² : After doing some research i'd like to get my Ram on 3600 CL15. So if someone could suggest me some "failsafe" settings (secondaries and so on) on this, i'd really appreciate that.



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As far as your voltage goes, I'd pretty much keep that where its at and then focus on your VCCIN voltage compared to your processor and motherboard recommended OC by someone that has overclocked it, and try some lower timings or if you're going with higher speeds, see what it can handle with your already rated SPD, and I think with this DDR4, the TRRCD, or whatever it actually is, the one with the higher clocks above 700, you can probably turn those down a little bit, for example mine was set at 748 and I have mine tuned to a tea at 734. The secondaries unless you really can know what you're doing, I wouldn't mess with those. Also, I know that in the previous Gen you could change the read to pre lower, but I haven't been able to do that for this Gen, DDR4.

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To start, I recommend you read Magetank's DDR4 OC guide here: https://www.overclock.net/forum/1805...ing-guide.html

This gives the basics of memory settings, "safe" voltage ranges, when to make tradeoffs between frequencies and timings and the general order of memory OC operations.

Once you have read Magetank's guide and have an idea of what to expect, I would look at the official DDR4 24/7 stability thread here: https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-in...ty-thread.html

It is very important to make sure you are properly testing for memory stability in order to prevent silent (or not so silent) memory corruption during your overclocking escapades. You can find all kinds of anecdotes, best practices and obscure tips in this thread and is well worth skimming through. Do note that memory overclocking can have many failure points (too high frequency, too tight timings, too much/not enough VDIMM/VCCSA/VCCIO for desired settings, not enough vCore for combined CPU Cache + DDR4 OC, etc) and it is vital to detect any instability BEFORE you get 30 settings deep into an overclocking spree and cannot figure out how to stabilise your OC.

If there is anything you should take away from here, it is "Test one thing at a time, prove stability before moving on and ALWAYS backup your data before you begin memory overclocking!"

Finally, I have found this thread on HWBot by [email protected] very helpful for understanding relationships and general expectations for DDR4 memory settings: https://community.hwbot.org/topic/14...-motherboards/. I recommend that you treat this guide as a checklist for overclocking your memory; change one group of settings at a time, check if it is stable and how the changes impact performance and adjust accordingly.

In general, I highly suggest you don't blindly copy-paste numbers into your bios for each setting because differences in motherboards, memory sticks/ICs and even CPU IMCs can dramatically change what settings are even bootable; let alone stable. I would always recommend you take a look at what your mobo + memory XMP settings are and change from there.


EDIT: How much time are you willing to invest in overclocking your RAM? Even ignoring the time it takes to stability test, RAM overclocking can be very finicky and require dozens of changes before you find something that works; even when just playing with frequency, primary timings and tRFC.

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Quote: Originally Posted by shellashock View Post
To start, I recommend you read Magetank's DDR4 OC guide here: https://www.overclock.net/forum/1805...ing-guide.html

This gives the basics of memory settings, "safe" voltage ranges, when to make tradeoffs between frequencies and timings and the general order of memory OC operations.

Once you have read Magetank's guide and have an idea of what to expect, I would look at the official DDR4 24/7 stability thread here: https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-in...ty-thread.html

It is very important to make sure you are properly testing for memory stability in order to prevent silent (or not so silent) memory corruption during your overclocking escapades. You can find all kinds of anecdotes, best practices and obscure tips in this thread and is well worth skimming through. Do note that memory overclocking can have many failure points (too high frequency, too tight timings, too much/not enough VDIMM/VCCSA/VCCIO for desired settings, not enough vCore for combined CPU Cache + DDR4 OC, etc) and it is vital to detect any instability BEFORE you get 30 settings deep into an overclocking spree and cannot figure out how to stabilise your OC.

If there is anything you should take away from here, it is "Test one thing at a time, prove stability before moving on and ALWAYS backup your data before you begin memory overclocking!"

Finally, I have found this thread on HWBot by [email protected] very helpful for understanding relationships and general expectations for DDR4 memory settings: https://community.hwbot.org/topic/14...-motherboards/. I recommend that you treat this guide as a checklist for overclocking your memory; change one group of settings at a time, check if it is stable and how the changes impact performance and adjust accordingly.

In general, I highly suggest you don't blindly copy-paste numbers into your bios for each setting because differences in motherboards, memory sticks/ICs and even CPU IMCs can dramatically change what settings are even bootable; let alone stable. I would always recommend you take a look at what your mobo + memory XMP settings are and change from there.


EDIT: How much time are you willing to invest in overclocking your RAM? Even ignoring the time it takes to stability test, RAM overclocking can be very finicky and require dozens of changes before you find something that works; even when just playing with frequency, primary timings and tRFC.

Thanks for the informative answer ! I was actually hoping someone would actually rock my specs since it's not that uncommon to use and maybe found out some decent settings which i could just copy.

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Set voltage to 1.5v, set speed to 3600, leave the timings stock (14-14-14-34), worked for me

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Hi,
Past 3200C14 speed can show diminishing results
Keep in mind ram oc'ing is a very good way to corrupt an os install
Make system images before attempting it.

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Hi,
Past 3200C14 speed can show diminishing results
True but overclocking 3200c14 XMP to 4000c17 still brings more performance to some programs than overclocking my 6700K from stock to 4.7GHz and 9900K having twice the cores is likely to be a fair bit more starved for memory.

A good way to avoid corrupting primary OS is to run Gsat in linux from a USB boot for preliminary testing and finish up with HCI once you have it dialed in which will focus more on the memory controller stability.

There is some good info here
https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-in...ty-thread.html

Although a lot of it will likely go over your head and the article is aimed at AMD CPU this still has some great general info.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/...locking_Guide/

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Set voltage to 1.5v, set speed to 3600, leave the timings stock (14-14-14-34), worked for me
Doesn't it hurt the Mem running over 1.4v 24/7?

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Yeah 1.5v is on the extreme side
3600 might not even need 1.4 for 400Mhz.

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Doesn't it hurt the Mem running over 1.4v 24/7?

The issue like with OCing anything is temps. Just make sure it has good airflow. 1.5v is safe for 24/7 and even ~1.9v is fine for benchmarking.

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