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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 06-12-2019, 01:27 AM - Thread Starter
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Buying into DR Samsung B-Die, worth it?

I was looking to upgrade my current sticks of Ram (TeamGroup Vulcan 3000 8GBx2 C16 [16-18-18-38]). I believe they're Micron B-Die, very bad at ocing, from what I've tried.


Also looking to upgrade the capacity while I'm at it.
I was mainly eyeing 3000 C14 & 3200 C14 kits, so far I found only two with cheap shipping & import duty from amazon.com:
F4-3000C14D-32GVK
F4-3200C14D-32GVK

I'll be shipping them to India (if that matters).

My main goal would be ocing obviously, looking to get 3600+ or whatever falls in the holy land of B-Die. Is this a good purchase, or is SR the way to go for high clocks? Would like some advice before I pull the trigger. Also AFAIK *Lake CPus require 4 memory banks for maximum performance, though don't quote me on that because I can't remember where I came across the fact.

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Budget usually overrules all other questions
Can you let go about 100.us a stick

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I would go for the 3200 one, but not sure why are you picking those exactly.

You can check for the Corsair LPX, 2x8GB at 3200Mhz cost 100$ at NewEgg. They are Samsung B-die. Thought, optimized for RyZen i guess.

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can people stop saying dual rank when they mean dual sided? K thanks

I am about 99% sure they do not mean the same thing.
there wouldnt be dual sided single rank sticks otherwise


single sided b-die will OC the best though. the dual sided OC pretty well but not as well...

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-...82E16820232217
i got a random pair doing c 17-17 4133 dangwang memtest stable

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Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
Budget usually overrules all other questions
Can you let go about 100.us a stick

https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/
The sticks I linked are 280~330$ shipped. I am ready to spend, regarded I get some satisfaction out of OC.

Quote: Originally Posted by ku4eto View Post
I would go for the 3200 one, but not sure why are you picking those exactly.

You can check for the Corsair LPX, 2x8GB at 3200Mhz cost 100$ at NewEgg. They are Samsung B-die. Thought, optimized for RyZen i guess.
I'm going for 16GB x2 (so dual sided), hence I picked em. Newegg has insane import duty on checkout, so kind of avoiding it.

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Worth, as in price per performance?
How about 2x16gb of micron rev. E chips? Almost certainly in crucial ballistix's new sports models, 3000 15-16-16 and 3200 16-18-18.
I've gotten 2x16gb rev.E to 4000 19-22-22 with 1.425v vdimm on Z370 Taichi. Also 2x16gb 3200 14-14-14 B-die to 4000 19-19-19 with 1.44v vdimm on same setup.
If 2x16gb Samsung B-Die's are commonly 250 USD and ballistix sport 2x16gb 3200 16-18-18 rev.E are 160 USD, then at about 60% of the B-die kit's cost, rev.E's are probably the current unbeatable price/overclocked-performance.

With my setup, I also got 2x8gb B-die kit to 4400 19-20-20 with 1.46v vdimm. The 2x8gb and 2x16gb B-die kits overclocked, scored almost identical in geekbench 3 and 4.

Since hearing about memory trace layout, T-topology and Daisy chain, I've kept to 2-stick kits for z370 taichi. I did try 4 sticks of hynix mfr before that could only do 3200 together, but up to 3600 in 2-stick config. In theory, 4x8gb of B-die in my setup shouldn't reach 4400, not sure about 4000.

Oc-ing rev.E was not as eventful as B-die.

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Okay yep 2x16gb's you will need to dig a tad deeper for those
16gb sticks are interesting to oc one good thing about b-die is they work well on amd systems too unlike many others.

You might drop a line on the Intel 24/7 memory stability thread maybe someone will know more about 16gb stick oc'ing
And also maybe post a link to your thread here

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Quote: Originally Posted by kignt View Post
Worth, as in price per performance?
How about 2x16gb of micron rev. E chips? Almost certainly in crucial ballistix's new sports models, 3000 15-16-16 and 3200 16-18-18.
I've gotten 2x16gb rev.E to 4000 19-22-22 with 1.425v vdimm on Z370 Taichi. Also 2x16gb 3200 14-14-14 B-die to 4000 19-19-19 with 1.44v vdimm on same setup.
If 2x16gb Samsung B-Die's are commonly 250 USD and ballistix sport 2x16gb 3200 16-18-18 rev.E are 160 USD, then at about 60% of the B-die kit's cost, rev.E's are probably the current unbeatable price/overclocked-performance.

With my setup, I also got 2x8gb B-die kit to 4400 19-20-20 with 1.46v vdimm. The 2x8gb and 2x16gb B-die kits overclocked, scored almost identical in geekbench 3 and 4.

Since hearing about memory trace layout, T-topology and Daisy chain, I've kept to 2-stick kits for z370 taichi. I did try 4 sticks of hynix mfr before that could only do 3200 together, but up to 3600 in 2-stick config. In theory, 4x8gb of B-die in my setup shouldn't reach 4400, not sure about 4000.

Oc-ing rev.E was not as eventful as B-die.
Worth for OCing. Thanks for your input, I might consider micron revE.

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can people stop saying dual rank when they mean dual sided? K thanks

I am about 99% sure they do not mean the same thing.
there wouldnt be dual sided single rank sticks otherwise


single sided b-die will OC the best though. the dual sided OC pretty well but not as well...

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-...82E16820232217
i got a random pair doing c 17-17 4133 dangwang memtest stable
single rank dual side and single rank single side is the same as far as the data path goes. I'm pretty sure he REALLY DOES mean dual rank, which is very different as far as data goes. you can't access both ranks simultaneously, but you can interleave commands to one bank while waiting for delays from other bank to elapse, which is where the perceived perf increase comes from. the downside is you can't clock it as high.

FWIW, I'm using dual rank (and dual side if it makes you happy) b-die. 2 x 16GB. It's running 4133MHz CAS14-18-18-32 2T, but it was already an expensive kit (gskill 2 x 16GB 4000MHz 19-19-19-39). I'm shoving 1.7 volts into them and it's working fine for a year now. I could use less voltage and loosen the timings, buuuuuuut i really don't feel like it.

It'll be hard to get lower latency for 24/7 usage. You get similar latency from single rank @ 4800MHz C16, but 16% more bandwidth.

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I've skipped out on all the waves of sales, figured i'd get some before they're hard to find.

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