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Curious if you've been able to push these any further, or if anyone else has experience with these? I have the 64GB kit right now running at XMP w/ a 3950x, but I'd like to push things a little bit. Ideally I'd get them running stable at 3800 1:1.
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I've been experimenting with older and newer BIOSes on this X370 board. With the F10 BIOS I can run 3466CL14 all day long at 1.45v with my Hynix DJR. The newer BIOSes I can only do like 3200 so so there must be some hidden settings I cannot see that are helping the old BIOS.

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Fairly happy with these 16+16 DJR H5AN8G8NDJR-TFC. Microsoft is moving Edge to Chrome, so an upgrade from 16 to 48GB wouldn't hurt, especially as these 32GB were $107 at microcenter (open box).
Running together with 8+8 b-dies, these DJR at 3133-14 are faster than expected for a mix of single+dual rank under Ryzen 1700 in this board which defaults four DIMMs to 1866. Having all four sockets populated notably improved read-write speeds. By themselves, b-dies ran at 3200-14 and gave 6% faster reads but significantly slower read-writes.
BTW these DJR ripjaws don't have thermal sensors, while the b-die ones do. One DJR ran noticeably warmer so I placed it in the front slot B2 facing the fan, which helped.
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Those are some nice timings and settings! I have finally gotten everything stable at 3800 MT/s 1:1 now, so I will keep the Hynix DJR:s. It would probably have taken a lot less time to get b-dies stable.

I'm hoping to get some voltages down a bit... But here's what I'm running right now. Tested through 1000% in Memtest just fine. This rig does 14200 h/s in Monero RandomX btw at 4150 MHz all core. Going down to 3733 MHz with tighter timings, same latency, still only yields 13400 h/s at 4150 MHz all core. Getting IF to 1900 MHz does wonders.

Read: 59.4 GB/sec
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Yes, your bandwidth looks fantastic and comparable to mine, the latency is just 2ns or so higher. I wouldn't even bother.

The CAS 18 suggestion might help a lot of people I've helped out with getting Hynix kits to run at 3800MHz on Ryzen 3000. Most cannot break 3733MHz and some can't even get that but they are all trying CAS 16. Thanks.

Higher bandwidth > lower latency usually no matter what and this was even true with DDR3.

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Quote: Originally Posted by damric View Post
I've been experimenting with older and newer BIOSes on this X370 board. With the F10 BIOS I can run 3466CL14 all day long at 1.45v with my Hynix DJR. The newer BIOSes I can only do like 3200 so so there must be some hidden settings I cannot see that are helping the old BIOS.
This makes sense as it seems the changes to AGESA on Ryzen 3000 (past 1.0.0.3abba for us, or even 1.0.0.3abb) have worsened memory overclocking significantly for everyone. Many users reported lower RAM overclocks when we got 1.0.0.4 originally and it seems this is being backported into older AGESA or the revisions/forks getting released by board vendors for older X370 and X470 mainboards. Basically- they are changing stuff for Ryzen 3000 compatibility on the older boards so the same changes to AGESA are getting put in.

Bios from around September should work best. I got the best RAM OC results from the Shamino 0901 based beta bios with AGESA 1.0.0.3, Shamino beta 0017, for my x570 board. I'd suggest downgrading to a bios for your board from early September 2019 and see if it OCs memory better.

Hope this helps

EDIT: Fixed spelling mistakes and also, https://www.mediafire.com/file/0uv3p...-0017.zip/file there is Shamino's modified BIOS for better RAM OCing (only for CROSSHAIR VIII HERO Non-Wifi) based on 0901 and 1.0.0.3 AGESA (this must be flashed using USB BIOS Flashback)

Also wanted to add, you are going to want to also revert to chipset drivers from around that time too and DDU your newer chipset drivers in Safe Mode-before installing "amd_chipset_drivers_v1.07.29.0115.exe" and then "amd_chipset_drivers_v1.8.19.0915" as these were the ones in use around September last year (do this after flashing the older BIOS for your board). Since they probably mess with the CPU microcode (the chipset drivers) to allow for Ryzen Master to function etc., you will want to revert to these drivers if reverting to an earlier BIOS based on AGESA 1.0.0.3 (it's something newer if using Zen+ or Zen 1 on an older board but this was before the backports that affected RAM OCing for everyone). So if you downgrade to a BIOS from September for your board, DDU the AMD drivers in safe mode then reboot and install the the 1.07.29 then the 1.8.19 drivers in that specific order before trying to overclock memory higher again. Both of these were needed on the BIOS for my board then as 1.07 installs something that 1.8 doesn't; and without both Windows 10 1903 was silently corrupting itself before BIOS 0802 for my motherboard, requiring DISM.exe scans in PowerShell that would detect errors but be unable to fix them.

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So what kind of timings are you guys able to get, mostly want to know if any of you all can go lower than 460 on trfc. So far I am really impressed with this ram kit. On my X570 board I get some great results on the Aida64 latency test.
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So what kind of timings are you guys able to get, mostly want to know if any of you all can go lower than 460 on trfc. So far I am really impressed with this ram kit. On my X570 board I get some great results on the Aida64 latency test.
That's really good latency for Hynix. I run with tRFC at 440 but I'm a bit slower because Ryzen 1. I run at 3466CL14 and my latency isn't below 70ns in AIDA.

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So what kind of timings are you guys able to get, mostly want to know if any of you all can go lower than 460 on trfc. So far I am really impressed with this ram kit. On my X570 board I get some great results on the Aida64 latency test.

These are fantastic results, though unsurprisingly, latency is higher than my B-Die. However, Memory Copy bandwidth looks better than mine.

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So what kind of timings are you guys able to get, mostly want to know if any of you all can go lower than 460 on trfc. So far I am really impressed with this ram kit. On my X570 board I get some great results on the Aida64 latency test.
Would you be able to post all of your sub-timings? Have some spare time now with this COVID, and was going to try and OC my RAM, but would love a good place to start.

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