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post #1 of 40 (permalink) Old 10-29-2019, 07:58 AM - Thread Starter
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Hynix 17nm DJRs

Anyone else played with these yet? They are either very new or rare.
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Trident Z Neo uses Hynix D-Die, dunno if they're the first or not though.

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I have them, they are somewhat tricky so far. They don't really match up timing-wise with CJR.

Only paid 2400 SEK for them, about $250. 32 GB B-die kits are hard to find or 50-100% more expensive.

This is the gear I have:
- G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4 3600MHz 2x16GB (F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC) - dual-rank
- MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon
- Ryzen 3900x

They want tWR of at least 22 and tFAW of at least 42 or training will fail. DRAM Calculator suggests tWR 12 and tFAW 35 for CJR V1 which does not work and requires a clear of CMOS on mine.
procODT 40 Ohm seems better than 48 - 60.
Gear Down Mode enabled seems to work best, a bit higher latency but easier to stabilize.

They are stable with the settings in the Ryzen Master screenshot in memtest, ran up to 2000%.

To me b-die seems too expensive for the performance difference at this time. Hope they can be tweaked further.

EDIT: Better timings found later in the thread. See https://www.overclock.net/forum/1805...l#post28235778
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I have a 3200/16 kit from Aorus, they've been using it in the last batches of Aorus RGB memory instead of B-Die for obvious reasons (EOL).

I have it overclocked to 3800MHz 16-21-21 on TRX40

https://valid.x86.fr/035r8b

edit : I only have a trail version of Aida, but I'm getting 95001 MB/s and 92.6ns latency with 6 chromes tabs open and all my game launchers lol



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Well, I made a mistake, these CJR aka C-Die. QQ



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I can also add that I cannot get them to cold boot at 3600-3800 MT/s with CAS 16. They run happily on CAS 16 if set in ryzen master and reboot, stable in memtest etc. Cold boot still no go.
Bumping CAS to 18 resolves cold boot problem. Don't know why it won't even cold boot at CAS 16, 3600 MT/s as stated in the specs. They perform well enough at 18-20-21-39.
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I bought a 2x8GB kit of Patriot Viper Steel Series rated for 3866MHz CL18 that is supposed to be Hynix DJR--Patriot are shady AF and rebrand their memory chips--and had an absolutely terrible experience with it. Due to 2nd gen not having the best IMC and knowing you get more on Ryzen going with 3466 or 3600 with tighter timings anyway that's the mentality I went into it with, especially after seeing Buildzoid's video on them. After I unboxed them I first wanted to test the waters and I got them to train and boot at up to 3733 with the 3866 XMP timings, but minute you did anything remotely intensive like open a dozen Firefox tabs or start MemTest dozens of errors and a BSOD, so I got them as loose as reasonable. Even at 3600 CL20-23-23-23- significantly less errors but still not stable until they eventually caused a BSOD so I started working my way down on frequency.

It wasn't until I got down to 3266MHz I could achieve decent timings and get it to be 100% stable, but even then 3200 ended up working best because you could get timings a lot tighter and was what I ended up going with. I'm gonna return them in a little bit. I know it isn't the board or CPU because the issue wasn't that they weren't POSTing: board was training fine, and I can get a kit of 3200 CL16 bin Hynix MFR to work fine at XMP and tighten the timings a little bit despite MFR being, by far, the least friendly and crappiest IC you can get for Ryzen but I digress. Best I could get out of 'em isn't a significant amount better vs MFR, and after tuning a 2x16GB kit I got a couple days ago (one in sig) using new Samsung M-Die 16Gb IC I was able to get performance to near-parity with this stuff while having 2x the amount of RAM and it being only $13 more expensive--$80 vs $93, though I ended up paying $74 for the 32GB kit after some discounts, so they actually ended up costing me less.

TL;DR: probably not best to get this IC if you have 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen. If you want the best value for money best to go with Micron Rev. E, or the new Samsung M-Die if you want 32GB for cheap. This stuff is excellent for 3rd gen Ryzen or Intel, though.

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