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Overvolting DDR4 memory: what R the risks?

If you overvolt DDR4 memory would the only component being risked be the memory? If the memory fails it wouldn't tend to take out the motherboard/CPU/PSU would it?
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If you overvolt DDR4 memory would the only component being risked be the memory? If the memory fails it wouldn't tend to take out the motherboard/CPU/PSU would it?
Yes and no, yes because if DDR4 dies its not like a PSU where it'll take something else with it. No because you could degrade your IMC before you cook memory depinding on what CPU you are talking about and how robust the IMC is. Samsung B-die can handle 1.5v 24/7 with a fan blowing on it for years. On Ryzen 3000 and Coffee Lake/Comet Lake the IMC is pretty strong so that's unlikely to affect longevity of it in any meaninful way. However if you have something like a Ryzen 1000 series CPU or like a 6700K/6950X that story may change as those are early DDR4 IMC's and are unlikely to like anything over 1.35v, but don't hold me to that as I'm not 100% sure how much validity there is to that but the Zen2 one I know to be a fact.

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I used to be able to push my present 4x4 GiB's of Corsair 2666/2800 memory to 3000Mhz on my old 5820k at 1.45V or so, but over time it wasn't stable and I had to settle for 2933 Mhz. On my 9700k I can get 3272 Mhz without breaking a sweat.
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I used to be able to push my present 4x4 GiB's of Corsair 2666/2800 memory to 3000Mhz on my old 5820k at 1.45V or so, but over time it wasn't stable and I had to settle for 2933 Mhz. On my 9700k I can get 3272 Mhz without breaking a sweat.
Yeah Haswell-E's IMC is garbage in comparison to Broadwell-E, Skylake-X and Skylake and friends (Kaby, Coffee etc), it was just early IMC teething issues. Most people topped out at 2666MHz-3000MHz on even a 5960X which was a pretty big achievement. Just like on Sandy Bridge it was damn near impossible to get DDR3 over 2133MHz.

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Seems like people push upwards of 2v into B-die regularly. I'm not sure I have seen many 1.6v 1.8v settings running and heard talk of as much as 2v.
I think the 1.5v guess is a pretty low amount of "over" volting
Edit: Provided you provide proper cooling, as the others said

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Seems like people push upwards of 2v into B-die regularly. I'm not sure I have seen many 1.6v 1.8v settings running and heard talk of as much as 2v.
I think the 1.5v guess is a pretty low amount of "over" volting
Edit: Provided you provide proper cooling, as the others said
2V = XOC territory

You wouldn't want to do that unless you can cool the memory with LN2.

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2V = XOC territory

You wouldn't want to do that unless you can cool the memory with LN2.

Short term benching tests with active cooling would be fine, DDR4 (at least b-die as far as I know) doesn’t scale when sub zero, hell it actually does worse under sub-zero from all the tests i’ve read. Really the drop-off point is 0c anything lower and there’s just negative scaling.

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Short term benching tests with active cooling would be fine, DDR4 (at least b-die as far as I know) doesn’t scale when sub zero, hell it actually does worse under sub-zero from all the tests i’ve read. Really the drop-off point is 0c anything lower and there’s just negative scaling.
Nope. Top XOC results on B-die were achieved with LN2.




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As long as you manually enforce every voltage, it won't do harm
On auto, you never know what is applied where

If you use high vDIMM, i suggest to enable and use CAD_BUS Timings to cut the signal in time and overall higher CAD_BUS values to begin with
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Beyond 1.72v you need to use maxmem under windows and cut 3/4th of the memory remaining with 2x 2024mb dimms in order to push near 1.92v
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