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Patriot Viper Blackout 3600

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Got some of this 3600 memory as 3600 is a good speed - @ - 17_19_19_39_CR2__540__ - Though it was possible to use CR1 & 470 clocks (tRFC)_row_refresh. It wasn't possible to lower the Primary timings at all @ 3600 which is a bit disappointing.

I've just had this on P95 for 3 hrs 50 @ 1.420_v and it seems pretty solid - Some screenshots included.

I did try 3733 Mhz but this was a no go in P95 - So just the one 3600 Mhz frequency actually worked - as advertised.

Corsair Dominator 2666 did go to 3333 Mhz by comparison - and a Kingston 4 x 4 kit @ 3200 16_18_18_xx did manage 15_17_17_xx @ 3200 & 15_18_18_xx @ 3467 Mhz which scored quite well.

Some of the really too expensive memory will perfom better no doubt - but which models do the members here use and what timings have you achieved @ 3600 Mhz on Intel platform such as Z170 - Thanks
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G.Skill [email protected] 1.48v, Samsung b die, A1 PCB.
Two sticks are Ripjaws V the other two are Flare X.
7700K Z170 Gene.

This RAM was able to hit 3866-4000 on my 6700K in this MB but it has trouble posting at 3733 with the 7700K although the 7700K does seem to handle tighter timings better.
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Hi,

Yes I've found the Ripjaws V and the Flare X ! -

After having a quick look into this the Patriot Viper Blackout Edition uses a Hynix C die - I'm not too well up on this but....there is Hynix, Micron & Samsung - Crucial Ballistix (new stuff) has Micron-E die which is meant to be quite good too.
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Hi,

This post is probably the best way to learn about the Hynix die's on memory modules from a personal point of view

I've just tried out the Patriot Memory Viper 4 "red" 3733 which uses a stock primary of 17_21_21_41 whilst the 3600 Patriot Blackout @ 3600 used 17_19_19_39 - I tried to use this primary on the 3733 MHz ram and I've run into an error in P95 @ 35 mins @ 1.420_v_dimm - so raised it up to 1.440_v___but the error occurred more quickly in P95 the second time - meaning it wasn't going to be stable.

In real world use it may have worked just fine but for p95 it just won't stand up to the stress test - As I've had a number of memory kits on the test bench now something is different about the memory that has just been tested which is the Hynix die.

At 3600 Mhz it should be just great even in P95 albeit with very limited headroom on the v-dim !

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Quote: Originally Posted by Dasa View Post
G.Skill [email protected] 1.48v, Samsung b die, A1 PCB.
Two kits are Ripjaws V the other two are Flare X.
7700K Z170 Gene.

This RAM was able to hit 3866-4000 on my 6700K in this MB but it has trouble posting at 3733 with the 7700K although the 7700K does seem to handle tighter timings better.
Hey this is a great primary timing for 3600 !
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Hi,

Please would someone clarify the minute differences in these product numbers on the G Skill website - Obviously from the Primary Timings it can be seen these kits would be strong performers but with so many variants it can be quite confusing so a little clarification would be helpful for future reference. - Thanks

https://www.gskill.com/products/1/165/168/Trident-Z

and a couple more here

https://www.gskill.com/search?keywor...3200C14D-16GTZ

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Any 3200 14-14 kit will use a moderate bin of Samsung b die and probably A1 PCB.

A better option for future builds could be Patriot Viper Steel 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 4400 PVS416G440C9K 19-19-19
It will probably be using Samsung b die with A2 PCB so that it can handle higher frequency and even though your CPU\MB wont handle that speed They still tighten down fairly well as I have seen people running them 3600c14-3800c14 on AMD Ryzen although not entirely stable at the later.

Some of the new Hynix\Micron chips can hit high frequency with lose timings but Samsung b die is still the king for tight timings despite it's age.

with G.skill
D vs Q is dual vs quad channel kit.
GTZ is just a stick model mostly relating to the heatsink and the last two seem to refer to color But some sticks may also end in C for example which seems to indicate a change to Hynix CJR chips.

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Hello Dasa,

I'm on a test bench so this isn't a build as such but having bought some RAM to try it out to use in a build - Now I've experienced Hynix and know why some folks have slated it for bad performance - !

3200 @ C14 eg_14_14_14_xx - has to be a good kit - that is pricey - !

The test on the Patriot is over as they're wasn't much to test. The preset 3733 Mhz was abandoned as the BIOS was too difficult and altering anythings resulted in a no boot!
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dasa View Post
Any 3200 14-14 kit will use a moderate bin of Samsung b die and probably A1 PCB.

A better option for future builds could be Patriot Viper Steel 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 4400 PVS416G440C9K 19-19-19
It will probably be using Samsung b die with A2 PCB so that it can handle higher frequency and even though your CPU\MB wont handle that speed They still tighten down fairly well as I have seen people running them 3600c14-3800c14 on AMD Ryzen although not entirely stable at the later.

Some of the new Hynix\Micron chips can hit high frequency with lose timings but Samsung b die is still the king for tight timings despite it's age.

with G.skill
D vs Q is dual vs quad channel kit.
GTZ is just a stick model mostly relating to the heatsink and the last two seem to refer to color But some sticks may also end in C for example which seems to indicate a change to Hynix CJR chips.
Hi, I found this which explains the "nomenclature" of the G Skill product range __ https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...nfusion_eg_on/
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