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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 02-28-2018, 08:06 PM - Thread Starter
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Help me choose gaming PC for my brother!

Hi!

So it's been a few years since I've built a PC. Right now I've heard it's not even worth building your own PC because of the outrageous GPU prices. My brother asked me to help him find a gaming PC - relatively entry level.

Price range max: $900-1000

Here are the 2 I've found so far, and would love to get some opinions on them?

https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-...0747W15QL&th=1

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-334-_-Product

What do you think about those? Or is it worth to mess around with PC Partpicker...?

Thank you in advance!!
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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 02-28-2018, 08:40 PM
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This is the best I could come up with that would actually be any better than what you found.

Your call.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V9ppgw

out of the two posted I'd go with the Amazon linked one.

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This is basically the cheapest computer you can build today, that isn't complete garbage, with all new parts and no ebay/craigslist hunting.

I wouldn't really want to game on it, but at 720p it would do the job with quite a bit of money to spare. Swap out the PSU and the case for options with a little more breathing room, add a cheap MydigitalSSD SBX, swap out the mouse and keyboard for something more gaming oriented, and maybe bump up from the 2200g to the 2400g and you'll have something with a little more oomph today, and the ability to be upgraded with a dedicated GPU later when prices are less ******** for a big boost in gaming performance.

As an added bonus it is a mitx system, so it can fit anywhere, is reasonably portable, and is very easy to cool with just one or two high-quality fans.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Zero4549/saved/3KFLD3

If you absolutely need to buy one of those prebuilts, I would go with the ABS. Sure, the cyberpowerpc handily beats on it paper and costs less, but there's a good reason for that. Every single cyberpowerpc system I've ever had the displeasure of working with has used such utterly useless low quality parts that you basically have to replace half of the system and lose your warranty in the rebuilding process.

A list of things you will likely need to replace in any cyberpowerpc system to make it work as expected / at all:
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-Motherboard
-PSU
-case fans
--possibly RAM
--possibly Case

By the time you spend all that money on replacement parts, you might as well have just built a higher spec system to begin with.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Zero4549 View Post
This is basically the cheapest computer you can build today, that isn't complete garbage, with all new parts and no ebay/craigslist hunting.

I wouldn't really want to game on it, but at 720p it would do the job with quite a bit of money to spare. Swap out the PSU and the case for options with a little more breathing room, add a cheap MydigitalSSD SBX, swap out the mouse and keyboard for something more gaming oriented, and maybe bump up from the 2200g to the 2400g and you'll have something with a little more oomph today, and the ability to be upgraded with a dedicated GPU later when prices are less ******** for a big boost in gaming performance.

As an added bonus it is a mitx system, so it can fit anywhere, is reasonably portable, and is very easy to cool with just one or two high-quality fans.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Zero4549/saved/3KFLD3

If you absolutely need to buy one of those prebuilts, I would go with the ABS. Sure, the cyberpowerpc handily beats on it paper and costs less, but there's a good reason for that. Every single cyberpowerpc system I've ever had the displeasure of working with has used such utterly useless low quality parts that you basically have to replace half of the system and lose your warranty in the rebuilding process.

A list of things you will likely need to replace in any cyberpowerpc system to make it work as expected / at all:
-CPU cooler
-Motherboard
-PSU
-case fans
--possibly RAM
--possibly Case

By the time you spend all that money on replacement parts, you might as well have just built a higher spec system to begin with.
Quote: Originally Posted by Penicilyn View Post
This is the best I could come up with that would actually be any better than what you found.

Your call.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V9ppgw

out of the two posted I'd go with the Amazon linked one.

Thanks for the response, guys! Very interesting opinions. I'll take a look at these a bit deeper. If you are just looking at the CPU/GPU combo between the 2, would you rather have the i5/RX580 or the i7/GTX1060?



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Quote: Originally Posted by Zero4549 View Post
This is basically the cheapest computer you can build today, that isn't complete garbage, with all new parts and no ebay/craigslist hunting.

I wouldn't really want to game on it, but at 720p it would do the job with quite a bit of money to spare. Swap out the PSU and the case for options with a little more breathing room, add a cheap MydigitalSSD SBX, swap out the mouse and keyboard for something more gaming oriented, and maybe bump up from the 2200g to the 2400g and you'll have something with a little more oomph today, and the ability to be upgraded with a dedicated GPU later when prices are less ******** for a big boost in gaming performance.

As an added bonus it is a mitx system, so it can fit anywhere, is reasonably portable, and is very easy to cool with just one or two high-quality fans.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Zero4549/saved/3KFLD3

If you absolutely need to buy one of those prebuilts, I would go with the ABS. Sure, the cyberpowerpc handily beats on it paper and costs less, but there's a good reason for that. Every single cyberpowerpc system I've ever had the displeasure of working with has used such utterly useless low quality parts that you basically have to replace half of the system and lose your warranty in the rebuilding process.

A list of things you will likely need to replace in any cyberpowerpc system to make it work as expected / at all:
-CPU cooler
-Motherboard
-PSU
-case fans
--possibly RAM
--possibly Case

By the time you spend all that money on replacement parts, you might as well have just built a higher spec system to begin with.
Quote: Originally Posted by Penicilyn View Post
This is the best I could come up with that would actually be any better than what you found.

Your call.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V9ppgw

out of the two posted I'd go with the Amazon linked one.

Thanks for the response, guys! Very interesting opinions. I'll take a look at these a bit deeper. If you are just looking at the CPU/GPU combo between the 2, would you rather have the i5/RX580 or the i7/GTX1060?
As I've said I have too much experience with cyberpowerpc to ever consider a system from them, but on paper the i7/1060 build will handle most workloads and games better.

There are a few scenarios where the 580 becomes the far superior card however, so its hard to give a definitive answer without taking into account other factors like cost, expected usage, and how long you want to keep the system in service without major upgrades.

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please don't take 1060 3Go Vram. Never! the 3 Go will be the bottleneck of your rig. nowaday 4Go is the minimum Vram needed for gaming. If you can afford a 1060 6Go you should look to a 1050TI 4 go which is a better pair Vram-GPU. New games need a lot of Vram , I see it with my 1070 TI, maybe try to add the SSD later and buy a 1060 6GO
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If you are a member of Costco and have one close it might be well worth checking out what they have. I know they have been marking down some of their Dells in store. For example: Dell Inspiron 5675 - Ryzen 1700X + RX570 4GB + 12GB RAM $799
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One alternative is the all in one dell inspiron 7775 with amd 1700 and rx580

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$900-$1000 is a good budget.
Do you care about overclocking or possibly upgrading the CPU in the future?
If you're an overclocker and don't mind being stuck with the same CPU till the board or CPU dies, Intel.
Otherwise, AMD.


GPU prices are pretty normal now so you should be able to get a new 1070 or used 1080/TI along with the rest of the stuff.
Will this rig be needed for anything other than gaming?



I wouldn't buy either of the linked rigs, no offense.

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