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I've always been an AMD fan, using primarily ATI/AMD GPUs and had an ASUS CHV with a 1090T and Corsair H70 for a short while (which I sold to my brother).

How much did you find your Sapphire 290 for, if you don't mind me asking? I've been eyeing a 290/290X for sometime, but I won't have the funds for it for a while, even if mining wasn't inflating all the prices. rolleyes.gif

And Sapphire is good stuff; I once had an ASUS 4850 + Sapphire 4850 together in Crossfire. The Sapphire was a reference model, while the ASUS was the fancy TOP factory overclocked model and the Sapphire out-clocked it. smile.gif

Also, go for watercooling! Your price estimate is about right, I think I spent around $400 for all the parts (and then another $400 for a second 6970 with attached WB, which I sold recently for $200 lol). A lot of money, but it was well worth it. The 6970 stock fan is so loud....

But now one of the fans behind one my rads is going bad, it whirs and whines and grinds, and of its course its in a position that's very hard to get to. rolleyes.gif I'd have to take almost everything out of my case to get at it... Eh, I'll replace it when I finally get around to upgrading out of my 775 system. tongue.gif


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I've always been an AMD fan, using primarily ATI/AMD GPUs and had an ASUS CHV with a 1090T and Corsair H70 for a short while (which I sold to my brother).

How much did you find your Sapphire 290 for, if you don't mind me asking? I've been eyeing a 290/290X for sometime, but I won't have the funds for it for a while, even if mining wasn't inflating all the prices. rolleyes.gif

And Sapphire is good stuff; I once had an ASUS 4850 + Sapphire 4850 together in Crossfire. The Sapphire was a reference model, while the ASUS was the fancy TOP factory overclocked model and the Sapphire out-clocked it. smile.gif

Also, go for watercooling! Your price estimate is about right, I think I spent around $400 for all the parts (and then another $400 for a second 6970 with attached WB, which I sold recently for $200 lol). A lot of money, but it was well worth it. The 6970 stock fan is so loud....

But now one of the fans behind one my rads is going bad, it whirs and whines and grinds, and of its course its in a position that's very hard to get to. rolleyes.gif I'd have to take almost everything out of my case to get at it... Eh, I'll replace it when I finally get around to upgrading out of my 775 system. tongue.gif

I had a 1090T for a year and loved it but once I saw the clocks people were getting on Bulldozer, I knew I had to have one. I stayed away from Bulldozer though because of the low IPC. There's a lot of debate about it, I see a new thread here once a week about Vishera vs Phenom II single thread. However, in my benching experience and general usage experience, as well as gaming, Vishera easily matches or beats Phenom II IPC. A Phenom II will only do 4ghz if you're lucky, whereas Vishera does 5ghz or more on water. Once you clock Vishera to about 4.4ghz it easily beats Phenom II IPC, and gets more fps in games too. Look at any major review site where they log FPS in games and make a bar graph. Among all the Intel and AMD CPUs tested, you'll usually see Phenom IIs at the bottom. They're nice but they're old now.

I love Sapphire cards, they have great build quality and design, they overclock well and they run cool.

I paid $579 for my Tri-X on Newegg. A week later it was $599. Two weeks later it was $649. A week later it was $699, and a week after that it was $749. For a $450 card. I'm happy with the price I paid and the performance I'm getting and I'm saving to get another.

Not going to go water cooling for many reasons, the biggest one being that my case is very cramped as it is with all the fans and accessories. It's a fairly tall case but it's not as wide as a HAF X or whatever. I wouldn't have room for more than one radiator and a reservoir. I can only fit a 240mm rad in the top of my case, and that's not enough to cool an FX-8350 and 2 R9 290s. I really like my case, mostly for aesthetic reasons, and have no intention to change to another one. It looks unique, nobody uses this case. Additionally, I don't want to deal with the maintenance of draining and refilling a loop.

Besides, with the Tri-X cooler my temps are usually around 60C at 1200mhz with 1.275v and 100% fans. They don't throttle til 95C and I usually don't see them artifact due to heat, unlike my 7970. Hawaii can take MUCH higher temps than Tahiti and run safe. I imagine if you ran a 7970 at 95C it would catch on fire. And I'm coming nowhere close to that.
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Those a funky my friend, I like. Can you change colors with them?

The lights don't change colors, no. It's this kit: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/22077/lit-380/Logysis_Dual_12_Red_Meteor_Light_Stick_LDKMTRD2.html?tl=g6#blank

They have it in red, blue, green and UV.

Not being able to change the lights isn't that big of a deal because the lights have like 20 different patterns they flash through when you hit the button on the back. I think it said on the box there's 8 different patterns and multiple speeds for each pattern, but it seems like each time you press the button it does something different. The video doesn't do it justice, you'd have to press the button and see for yourself and play with it. Well worth the $14 I spent.

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Thanks for the info on the 290, I'm glad you were able to get it before the prices went through the roof. My next upgrade is going to be Haswell, but a 290/290X is definitely in the pipeline for me. Hopefully once I get a nice Haswell setup, and give it a couple months, used 290s will be flooding the market with outrageously low prices (one can dream, right? tongue.gif)

Glad to hear that the Toxic is working out though on the cooling front for you. The 6970 is just an outrageously hot card. I actually originally got an Accelero cooler for mine, but the one Newegg sent me was damaged and wouldn't fit, so I returned it and just went with full watercooling instead.

And I'm just hassling you about the water cooling. wink.gif I understand the space/money requirements, but for me, the H70 was such an amazing cooler that its what really made me want to go for a full custom loop. And plus I had the space in my full tower case. I call the Corsair H-series gateway drugs to watercooling. biggrin.gif

My brother (the one with the CHV and 1090T) is looking to upgrade his GPU right now, and I'll probably suggest a 8350 to him if he wants to go for an upgrade on the CPU front too. From what I've seen, the 8350 definitely appears to be an upgrade from the PII series. Only thing is that he doesn't really overclock or do hardcore gaming. He's most likely going to replace his current GTX460 with a 750Ti (which performs almost as well as a 6970, lol!), so he probably won't need any kind of CPU upgrade for a while.


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An update: my H100i came in and I put it in. System is operational.

I was pleasantly surprised because instead of repairing my unit and sending it to me, Corsair sent me a brand new H100i in retail packaging. Only ever had to RMA a graphics card and they never sent me a brand new card, but a factory refurbished one.
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Nice that you got a new kit from Corsair! smile.gif

I had to RMA my PSU and got a refurb in return from CM. But I also had a Logitech mouse go bad and customer support sent me the newer model NIB outside the warranty for free!

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So, I got my 2nd R9 290 Tri-X. It was $549.99 with a 10% off promo code, so we got it for $494 before shipping from Newegg. My first one cost $579, so this one was only $50 over MSRP. We used mining money from the last few months to get it.

When I first got it I decided to just put the card in the top slot, replacing my first Tri-X, just to test and make sure the card wasn't dead. It wasn't, I messed with it for a few hours and overclocked it. It has an ASIC of 82.1%. However, it doesn't seem to like to do 1200mhz in Valley, I get artifacts. My first card has an ASIC of 80.4% but will do 1200mhz stably (albeit with a ton of voltage). Anyway, after finding this out I noticed the new card has lower voltage under load with the same offset. So, I decided to try and flash the BIOS. This didn't go well. On my first card, I've been using a 290X Tri-X bios since it will allow me to lower voltage for mining. I tried flashing this bios to the new card and it didn't work, when I rebooted my card was in low-res mode. I tried reinstalling the drivers, but it still ran in low res mode in Windows. I was curious, so I decided to flash the bios backup of my first card to the new card (015.042.000.000.000000). This didn't work either, low res Windows. So finally, I gave up and flashed the original bios it shipped with back to the new card. (015.043.000.001.000000). This may be a bad point to the newer Tri-X cards, it seems like you are extremely limited to what bios you can use, if not outright locked down to the one it shipped with. My older Tri-X (Bought beginning of January) doesn't have this problem.

I ordered more Bitfenix Alchemy Red PCI-E extension cables. I was thinking they were going to come today but they actually came yesterday. However, there was a problem, my girlfriend ordered an EPS 12V extension instead of an 8-pin PCI Express cable. I have no idea what an EPS 12V extension even is, and even less idea why the two cables LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME. So, I ripped open the bags, took Big Red apart and then hooked another power supply PCI cable. I go to put the extensions on and the 6-pin works, but even with the 8-pin the right way, it won't go on. The physical plugs are shaped differently. Then I look at the packaging and see it's an EPS 12V cable. We go online to look for a Bitfenix Alchemy red 8-pin extension cable and they are literally sold out everywhere. Frozencpu doesn't have them, Performancepcs doesn't have them, Aztekcomputers doesn't have them, hell even Amazon doesn't have them. Most of these sites have none in stock and none on order. So, we ordered one on Amazon and they expect it to ship in 2 to 4 weeks. This means my machine won't look pretty enough to take pictures of for a while.

I've done some light benching so far and something seems to be borked with my system. I have both cards in it now. CrossfireX is enabled. Cards overclock fine. However, I'm only getting 90 fps in Valley with tess off. I saw people getting like 120 fps with R9 290s in the Valley thread. Granted, they had Intel chips, but would having Intel really make 30 fps difference? I don't think so. I'm not sure what the issue is. I'm getting about 17k in 3dmark11, graphics score is almost 30k, so that seems okay. Game performance is great, even in Eyefinity. It just seems to be Valley that's messed up.

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