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post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 02-12-2019, 07:48 PM - Thread Starter
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is the 80mm rad the condenser or the dual 120mm rad? could you draw a diagram? i’m intrigued


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The triple 80mm radiator is the condenser in this design. I did a hand drawing of the loop, hope that helps.



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ohhhh. makes much more sense now. thanks.


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Given the cost of Novec, have you considering consulting with 3M about your project?

For example, I typically specify 3M products for projects. Whenever I run into an issue where I don't know much about the product (as I am not a product specialist), I contact a Product Rep and they're usually very helpful. Especially when providing an engineering assessment, details, or CAD etc.

Now, I never worked on a project with immersion cooling but I believe 3M has a vested interest in seeing this pushed to more new builds (Data Centers.) Any positive exposure a company receives... is good! As you know, there are a lot of sponsored builds on OCN. I would not find it too surprising if 3M wanted to assist in some way.

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I have reached out to 3M, though more to figure out their distribution partners and to see if I can get some 3M™ Microporous Metallic Boiling Enhancement Coating (BEC). It is more of a development material that you can coat copper heat sinks with. The material has optimally-sized nucleation sites and better thermal conductivity to Novec. I own a small robotics startup and if I can find ways to reduce power by cooling motor controllers and very powerful multi core procs/GPU's for AI research that is of value to me. I think Novec is already popular in some data centers but has not really kicked off. I hope that more places see the benefits and move to it, so the price Novec can drop with economies of scale. Even the benefits can be realized on a small scale like this single proc build.

  1. Increase density of computer electronics
  2. Less power required to cool components
  3. Less fans compared to a typical system
  4. Reduced noise
  5. No dust in the sealed system
  6. No heat sinks needed, or at least much smaller ones
  7. No extra piping or water blocks
  8. Higher sustained clocks

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Very interesting to hear about this additional product as well as your current operations. It appears this build is in the right hands.

I can't comment with certainty why immersion hasn't taken off yet, but I know from a lot of the projects I am involved with, including work with large Telecom companies, they are not investing in Liquid cooled (immersion) cooling for existing server rooms.

All associated fees & potential risk appear to outweigh the opportunity to utilize conventional methods (Access flooring w. airflow panels, containment isles etc.) Granted, mose executives which lead the project and define the budget are more concerned with initial upfront costs rather than long term investment, which I would imagine payoff with immersion.

In large, new builds, with leading companies (Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook etc.) I would not be surprised if this becomes the mainstream within the next 5 to 10 years. Anyways, I won't derail your thread any further. Curious to see where this goes.

By the way, I love your CAD render! Good luck with the build; subscribed.

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By the way, I love your CAD render! Good luck with the build; subscribed.
Thanks, I used Autodesk Fusion 360. It's pretty much my staple CAD program, as you can quickly import McMaster-Carr parts with a built-in app and easily create designs that are at the fringe of design and manufacturability. I find that the more time you spend on the design of a project the less headaches and materials overall.

Thanks for the subscription!, just know this is a bit of a longer term build as the processor is not even out yet. However, since I plan on taking this to QuakeCon in July that will be the projects final due date. If I need to throw in a temporary AM4 processor to make that happen I will.

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