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Alright. Making another cart. Anything you’d change?
Can't see what the RAM is but it's a terrible idea to run 4 x 4GB sticks. 4 sticks will stress the IMC more and it won't clock nearly is good, and 4GB for DDR4 sticks is basically a joke in 2019. Buy a 2 x 8GB kit- it will give you the same amount of RAM (16GB), overclock higher since two sticks stresses the IMC less and allow you to upgrade to 32GB if you ever need to down the road. Samsung B Die will work best and overclock the highest, but it's quite expensive at around $130 - $140 for a 16GB kit. You can find them by looking for 3200mhz CL14 @ 1.35v kits. If you don't want to spend as much but want something decent I would get something like this which is on sale for $65- https://www.newegg.com/team-16gb-288...82E16820313807


$150 for a 256GB SATA SSD? Are you nuts????

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I would spend $10 less on the hard drive and get a faster and arguably better one: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E1682218...-773-_-Product

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Alright. Making another cart. Anything you’️d change?
Can't see what the RAM is but it's a terrible idea to run 4 x 4GB sticks. 4 sticks will stress the IMC more and it won't clock nearly is good, and 4GB for DDR4 sticks is basically a joke in 2019. Buy a 2 x 8GB kit- it will give you the same amount of RAM (16GB), overclock higher since two sticks stresses the IMC less and allow you to upgrade to 32GB if you ever need to down the road. Samsung B Die will work best and overclock the highest, but it's quite expensive at around $130 - $140 for a 16GB kit. You can find them by looking for 3200mhz CL14 @ 1.35v kits. If you don't want to spend as much but want something decent I would get something like this which is on sale for $65- https://www.newegg.com/team-16gb-288...82E16820313807


$150 for a 256GB SATA SSD? Are you nuts????

https://slickdeals.net/f/13084915-sa...archBarV2Algo1

You can get a Sabrent Rocket- high quality NVME SSD (which all AM4 boards have a slot for) with Phison E12 controller and Toshiba TLC memory, 5 year warranty upon registration. 1TB for $109.19 lol (other smaller sizes are found in the slickdeals thread)

I would spend $10 less on the hard drive and get a faster and arguably better one: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E1682218...-773-_-Product
What’s a nVME?
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What’s a nVME?
NVMe (non-volatile memory express) is a host controller interface and storage protocol created to accelerate the transfer of data between enterprise and client systems and solid-state drives (SSDs) over a computer's high-speed Peripheral Component Interconnect Express (PCIe) bus.

Basically the drive looks similar to a RAM stick, and it plugs into an M.2 slot on your motherboard. All modern platforms from Intel or AMD will support these types of drives (double check mobo manual, but all AM4 boards should have at least one). Rather than data traversing SATA lanes, it goes over PCIe. While a typical SATA SSD tops out at about 550MB/s for read and writes, the Sabrent Rocket does 3400MB/s read and 3000MB/s write making it a phenomenal value.

Even if you need a traditional SATA SSD there are much more cost effective options than the outdated 840 Pro.

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What’️s a nVME?
NVMe (non-volatile memory express) is a host controller interface and storage protocol created to accelerate the transfer of data between enterprise and client systems and solid-state drives (SSDs) over a computer's high-speed Peripheral Component Interconnect Express (PCIe) bus.

Basically the drive looks similar to a RAM stick, and it plugs into an M.2 slot on your motherboard. All modern platforms from Intel or AMD will support these types of drives (double check mobo manual, but all AM4 boards should have at least one). Rather than data traversing SATA lanes, it goes over PCIe. While a typical SATA SSD tops out at about 550MB/s for read and writes, the Sabrent Rocket does 3400MB/s read and 3000MB/s write making it a phenomenal value.

Even if you need a traditional SATA SSD there are much more cost effective options than the outdated 840 Pro.
I’m looking at a 250gb Mushkin Helix. $37. Just need it as a boot drive rewlly. These things are bad ass. Why weren’t they available when I had my Z68 platform...
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OCN keeps eating my post but anyway ...

275R isn't a great airflow case , if you bought it already just keep note of it. It's worse than Corsair's prior 270R.

If you're looking at $60-70 cases the cases I'd look at are discounted Fractal Design Meshify C , Phanteks P350X (160mm CPU cooler height be aware), and Phanteks Enthoo Pro M. If the P400A comes out soon that is also a good contender as it is the same chassis as P350X with a fully mesh front panel.

As far as the PSU goes, if you already bought it then it probably isn't worth sending it back. However, the Seasonic Focus and Corsair RMx series are far better and come with 80 Plus gold efficiency , a longer warranty, better ripple characteristics, and fully modular cabling.

RAM: you shouldn't buy 4x4GB sticks for Ryzen because it's dual channel. In addition the daisy chain memory layout on X570 boards is not as conducive to overclocking 4 sticks.

SSD: 840 Pro is ancient, I'd look into the 500GB 970 Evo Plus NVMe drive or some other NvMe drive , even the Intel 660p or WD Black. 500GB/1TB Crucial MX500 or 860 Evo M.2 SATA based SSDs if on a budget. No need to buy a 2TB HDD if you go with one 500GB NvMe and one larger SATA SSD.

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275R isn't a great airflow case , if you bought it already just keep note of it. It's worse than Corsair's prior 270R.

If you're looking at $60-70 cases the cases I'd look at are discounted Fractal Design Meshify C , Phanteks P350X (160mm CPU cooler height be aware), and Phanteks Enthoo Pro M. If the P400A comes out soon that is also a good contender as it is the same chassis as P350X with a fully mesh front panel.


As far as the PSU goes, if you already bought it then it probably isn't worth sending it back. However, the Seasonic Focus and Corsair RMx series are far better and come with 80 Plus gold efficiency , a longer warranty, better ripple characteristics, and fully modular cabling.



RAM: you shouldn't buy 4x4GB sticks for Ryzen because it's dual channel. In addition the daisy chain memory layout on X570 boards is



SSD: 840 Pro is ancient, I'd look into the 500GB 970 Evo Plus NVMe drive or some other NvMe drive , even the Intel 660p or WD Black. 500GB/1TB Crucial MX500 or 860 Evo M.2 SATA based SSDs if on a budget. No need to buy a 2TB HDD if you go with one 500GB NvMe and one larger SATA SSD.
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Also, what about cooling? I had the Hyper 212 Evo+ on my old 2500K, and that bastard only got 64c load at 4.6ghz. I will not hesitate to purchase it again. That thing is incredible for the price
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Also, what about cooling? I had the Hyper 212 Evo+ on my old 2500K, and that bastard only got 64c load at 4.6ghz. I will not hesitate to purchase it again. That thing is incredible for the price
2500k was 4 core / 4 thread. With Zen 2 you're probably going to be getting at least a 6 core / 12 thread or 8 core / 16 thread. It is not going to run as cool, especially if you are overclocking. The Scythe Mugen 5 would handle a 6 core with a decent OC. If you want a huge OC on the 6 core or are considering an 8 core I would do the Noctua NH-D15S.

Also the Sabrent Rocket I linked is cheaper ($29.99 vs $37.99), faster (3090/1050 vs 2010/1250), and has a longer warranty (5 years vs 3 years). I know it's not on Newegg, it's on Amazon but it's still the much better choice.

Ninja edit: whatever onboard sound will likely be better than an Asus Xonar sound card. Skip that....

edit again: skip both the Mushkin Helix and the Sabrent Rocket and get this instead: https://www.newegg.com/hp-ex920-256g...9900470a240612

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Scythe Mugen 5 Rev B or Thermalright ARO-M14G (AMD only) / Macho Rev B (bigger) are good choices at around $45ish , lower than that I would just keep the 212 Evo. For $10-15 more than 212 Evo costs you get at least 5 degree drop in temperatures and a higher quality fan that isn't cheap sleeve bearings. I would lean toward Mugen 5 if you're in the USA since Thermaalright distribution channels in USA are shoddy. What's also great about the Mugen 5 is that it is 155mm height so it fits in just about every modern ATX sized case. The Macho is 162mm height.



If you were buying Ryzen 7 the Wraith Prism is actually pretty decent as it's a 4 heatpipe cooler with a ~ 90-100mm fan but the Spire on Ryen 5 isn't designed with as much power in mind.

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https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-0004-00075

Macho rev B https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PKJ21LW/

Those will put your 212 to shame, as they have much more fin area and 6 heatpipes.
They've been tested by computerbase on overclocked Ryzen 7 CPUs in the past and performed within degrees of closed loop water and top tier air such as the Noctua dual tower NH-D15.
(see https://www.computerbase.de/2019-05/...ldruckpegel-oc , https://www.computerbase.de/forum/th...ation.1732991/ , https://nl.hardware.info/reviews/778...j-30-en-40-dbn)

If you are looking at air coolers, prioritize heatpipes and fin area. When looking at reviews keep in mind fan speed.



If you weren't using 275R case with 170mm height limit then I would also look at the $50 Thermalright True Spirit 140 Power which is among the strongest single towers ever made when you account for fan speed.

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Already bought it. What’s wrong with it?
Return it and get something better its not all that great and there is a reason why its so cheap

Second the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo is not worth buying anymore and its way overhyped
https://www.overclock.net/forum/246-...ernatives.html

Third if you are going to use the PC for gaming only and nothing else dont bother with NVME its only a single second faster when it comes to game loading times

And last the Samsung 840 was replaced by the 850 which was then replaced by the 860 so get an 860 not the 840 its way outdated

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