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post #11 of 22 (permalink) Old 07-15-2019, 05:57 AM
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I've been on all 3 sides of PC cooling. Air, Close Loop, and Custom.
The real question that should be asked is, "Do I want to deal with any maintenance outside of the regular stuff?"
If the answer is yes, then custom water cooling is on the table.
If the answer is no, then pitch it to the wind.
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Yep usually the only real detail necessary is will the giant piece of aluminum and copper fit in my case

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Put the PC in fish tank. If you still want it separated from the tank then well go air cooling, so much simpler and maintenance free, no risk of leaks etc. cheaper too.
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Im. not against air cooling. it just my preference to water cool. though. it can take a good part of peoples budget. and time. with maintenance. if you want to built and forget it. a good air coolers the way to go
Budget is a concern, but considering I already have a custom loop, I could just swap the pump (mine is noisy) with a decent pump/res combo and redo be set. Build and forget would be great though because having to drain a 20G fish tank every time I need to pop the top of the desk open for anything will get old real fast.

Quote: Originally Posted by Shawnb99 View Post
I always go with water. Way better temps that way, plus it way quieter. On air my GPU can easily hit 80 degrees, on water I never go above 45.
I won't be water cooling my GPU for multiple reasons. It's not good enough to bother adding a water block to, I hate the idea of having to get a new waterblock if I ever want to upgrade and it's also a terrible investment 9/10 because for the added cost you could dang near just run SLI/Crossfire with a second GPU.

Quote: Originally Posted by shilka View Post
Depends on the use case but for most users air cooling is good enough
By the way i hope you are not re-using that old CM PSU
Is there something inherently wrong with the CM? I have been wanting to swap it for some time now for a more efficient EVGA, just hasn't seemed worth it since I haven't had any issues with it.

Quote: Originally Posted by NexusRed View Post
I've been on all 3 sides of PC cooling. Air, Close Loop, and Custom.
The real question that should be asked is, "Do I want to deal with any maintenance outside of the regular stuff?"
If the answer is yes, then custom water cooling is on the table.
If the answer is no, then pitch it to the wind.
It's such a toss up... Sexy looking, better performing water cooling setup all lit up under a glass desktop sounds great and I could reuse most of my water cooling stuff which wasn't exactly cheap. But it comes at the cost and headache that goes with it. Algea, corrosion, mineral buildup, clogged water blocks, system draining, leaks, trying to get all the bubbles out, the list goes on. I know there are ways around a lot of the issues but it's a lot to deal with.

Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
Yep usually the only real detail necessary is will the giant piece of aluminum and copper fit in my case
Well since I'll be building the desk from scratch that's not a problem at all. If I end up going with air, if I get a bequite! Dark Rock TF (just stumbled across it) instead of a Shadow Rock Pro 4 clearances will be even less of a concern, but I can't find any comparisons.

Quote: Originally Posted by JackCY View Post
Put the PC in fish tank. If you still want it separated from the tank then well go air cooling, so much simpler and maintenance free, no risk of leaks etc. cheaper too.
Umm... No. If you're talking about a mineral oil build, that's a heck of a mess that I don't plan to get myself into. Also there will be live fish and living plants in the tank so that's not an option. I did however consider drilling the side of the tank and putting a heat exchanger inside it in-line with a water cooling loop to help dissipate heat. But then reality hit and I realized it would be way overkill for just gaming on a mild overclock and the additional heat added to the tank would probably kill (or at minimum, stress) my fish.
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Let us say your are building a complete air system... let us say your complete rig requires 10 fans and they will run at 1600rpm full time to cool the complete system.

In water, You can fill it full of rads and run twice that number of fans... at 900rpm. Full Quiet and get better cooling.

Of course that might cost you between 1000-1500$. But, It's a loop that will survive multiple times with only a gpu waterblock changed everytime.

Hell I got parts from Hydra 1 still being used in my current project Hydra 3.

As for the SLI cost versus waterblocks, You got a point... but dual SLI air cards I WILL NEVER RUN ON AIR. I would rather game on a single waterblocked gpu. Water is meant for SLI period. Dual GPUs running full throttle is a sound I would rather not hear after 6 years of watercooling.

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Your PSU is 10 years old and while its not horrible it wont last forever and frankly you should not really be using that old of a PSU in a modern system
As for EVGA unless its a G2/P2/T2 dont bother most EVGA units are either flawed mediocre or outright crap

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Quote: Originally Posted by Animag771 View Post

It's such a toss up... Sexy looking, better performing water cooling setup all lit up under a glass desktop sounds great and I could reuse most of my water cooling stuff which wasn't exactly cheap. But it comes at the cost and headache that goes with it. Algea, corrosion, mineral buildup, clogged water blocks, system draining, leaks, trying to get all the bubbles out, the list goes on. I know there are ways around a lot of the issues but it's a lot to deal with.
I hear ya. I loved my custom loop. I did it right the first time and didn't have any issues. No type of build up, no bubbles beside the initial leak down test.
The initial cost is somewhat expensive, but if you are smart and go with universal parts, it's not that bad. I spend about $500 total. That's fittings, tubing, waterblocks for both GPU and CPU, 2x360mm rads, fans, and little extra. That all lasted about 3 builds before I shelved it. Still have everything besides fresh tubing and distilled water.

Crap.. Now all of this talk makes me want to go back lol.
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Your PSU is 10 years old and while its not horrible it wont last forever and frankly you should not really be using that old of a PSU in a modern system
As for EVGA unless its a G2/P2/T2 dont bother most EVGA units are either flawed mediocre or outright crap
Wow it's really been 10 years already. Holy crap, good point. I was looking at the G2, I've recently put one in my HTPC build and hasn't let me down yet, not to mention it's dead silent.
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Wow it's really been 10 years already. Holy crap, good point. I was looking at the G2, I've recently put one in my HTPC build and hasn't let me down yet, not to mention it's dead silent.
The Seasonic Focus and Prime Ultra are also options worth looking at
I bought a Prime Ultra to replace my 5 year old EVGA G2 because it does not have enough cables and there is no ports left to add more

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I vote for water . If u are designing new Desk PC , you can have huge rads ,so it will be dead silence under load.
Exactly what i did , designed a desk (made from wood scrap lying around my house for years ) to hold 3x 400mm radiator. You are not restricted to use 120 /140mm radiators ,like in PC cases . In total i had 6x20cm fan on the radiators at 350rpm even on load. With that much radiator surface u can cool anything.

YT video , under gaming benchmark ,whisper quiet .And the best part ; i cant hear the coil whine from the VGA , the 6mm thick tempered glass is isolating it so much better then any PC case with 3mm glass
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