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post #1 of 6 (permalink) Old 09-11-2019, 08:59 PM - Thread Starter
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msi C8r (Carbon8r - Intel/Phanteks Pro M SE build)

This is my gaming build "MSI C8r" (MSI Carbon8r). Originally I had the case setup with Front Intake HWL Nemesis 280 GTS Crossflow rad, Top Exhaust HWL Nemesis 280 GTS Crossflow rad and a rear 140 case fan on intake. The rear was on intake because I wanted the case over pressurized, and I figured extra fresh air to the top rad and the VRMs would be a good thing. Temps were decent, about 16c during heat stress testing and 12c to 14c when gaming.

I was doing some forum jumping and cane across several mentions about configuring your case so all rads have fresh air. Then I read some more posts on Reddit about it. Being an ex-HVAC guy it all made sense to me. However, If I was going to do this I would need to swap all my fans on top to intake and flip the rear to exhaust. My only concern was for the VRMS under the extra wide HWL radiator up top not getting sufficient cooling. Before I had fresh blowing right over them. Now they would getting limited airflow from the front. I had an old ASUS VRM squirrel cage blower so I figured I would mount that off to the side to get some air moving behind the rad, and then add some small extra heat sinks to the VRM heat sink to give more air surface.

Fourth of July weekend I took down the loop and swapped everything over and made the VRM mods. While i was at it, I figured if I could mount another exhaust fan somewhere I woudl help with the cooling. Looking around the rear of the case I was looking at those empty and unused PCIE slots, just sitting there. I grabbed an an extra Deepcool CF120 fan I had leftover and discovered if would fit over the outside real good. However I did not want to tie-wrap it into place. Then I remembered I had some extra rare earth bar magnets laying around. I put really good 3M two-way tape on the backs of the magnets and attached them to three sides of the fan (right, left and bottom). I took out all the PCIE covers to increase airflow and I ran the wires into the case through the lowest PCIE slot and down into a mobo cutout. With the magnets I can place the fan right up by the video ports and when needed can just move it a lower or off to the side. Since it uses the same addressable RGB I use I can tie it run into the same circuit and sync with my other lighting. It actually looks pretty good there and pulls a good amount of air.

Heat stress tests and gaming were going good showing about a 4c to 5c lower Loop Delta. However when running OC stress tests OCCT (small sets with AVX) and Prime95 failed due to the MOS overheating (breaking 100c). This was odd as I never had this problem before. I figured it was due to the lower air flow. OCCT eventually passed testing at large sets for 10 hours but Prime 95 on Blend with all AVX disabled still crashed out. Ran a bunch of other OC tests and it passed all those so I saved the new profile (5.0 ghz - Yeah! Finally got there at 1.30v)

I then decided I wanted a lower loop temp (looking for single digits while gaming) and would add another (external) rad to the rear. Draining the loop would allow me to pull the top rad and fix the VRM problem. I figured I could fit some Gelid Silent 4 40mm x 10mm fans under the rad. When I checked I found I had room to mount the fans directly to the heat sinks I had previously mounted, and could thread 3mm screws directly between the fins. Mounted two to the VRM heat sink under the rad and figured this would solve the problem. Nope made the problem worse. The rads were too close to the fans and starved them of air. I was hitting 105c on the MOS even faster now and had to stop testing.

This weekend I had the chance to take down the loop again. One of my Prolimatech slim 140s had developed a really whiney noise that was getting worse with time. Previously I had wanted to get the Cryorig XT140 140mm Slim Profile PWM Fan but could not find any at the time that would be delivered reasonably soon. They were available this time so I ordered them and I took down the loop and swapped out the fans.
Side track - If you look at my build photos you will notice that after mounting the fans, I filled all the other areas with sticky-back foam insulation. This forces the air to exhaust somewhere else. I also sealed up the front of my case using ABS plastic. The only place for the air the go is out the rear (cuz it ain't gettin' out da bottom). BTW - There is a photo I took from above the case with all the case lights on and the room lights off. There is very little light showing,mostly through the fan openings through the radiator. No Light means Airtight.

I also popped off the heat sinks and fans I had on the VRM heat sink. Started thinking about mounting the two 40's somewhere else. I figured they would just fit under the Phanteks Radiator bracket (after it had a little session with the dremel) and I could mount them to another one of those bar magnets. I had to use a little super glue to hold the fans together because I had to offset the magnet due to the power supply grommet. These are now mounted directly behind the VRM heat sink blowing air across the whole length of it, at a whole pitiful 9 cfm.

I had another two Gelids left. I figured maybe the other VRM could benefit from a little more air flow directly on it. I needed somewhere to mount it so the main VRM heat sink could get some flow (fortunately there is a fan header right above the GPU). I realized the perfect spot was just above the GPU blowing across the face of the heat sink, but how to mount it it? I figured I would not want this to be a permanent mount and needed to be easily removed. I was thinking too bad I don't have fan standoffs. But I'm a modder. I then made fan standoffs using 20x3mm and 30x3mm rad screws and washers and nuts. The 20mm screws rest on the GPU cover and the 30mm screws rest on the GPU board. This gives the fan enough clearance to feed itself. To insulate the screws and also make them stay in place I painted them with multiple layers of liquid electrical tape (this stuff has its uses). This looked great and fit right in place (Unfortunately not quite dry yet. It cleaned right up with alcohol.) and the 30mm screws made a convenient place to wrap up the extra wire. The coating is like rubber and does not slide on the GPU cover or the GPU card, and it's a natural vibration mount with the amount or rubber I put on.

Well time to wrap this up. I completed my mods and brought the system up. Everything worked except two UV lights which were out (damn Darkside molex to connect cable broke AGAIN - next time I hot glue them all). After getting everything setup and I ran OCCT on small sets with no AVX. It ran for over an hour at a max MOS temp of 96c at my stable OC. Case ambient is running about 30c.

I can live with that. It's not like I will see that in gaming. But if I want to try for 5.1 GHz I need to make sure this MOS temp thing is under control. Now I have 50 x 10mm on order that I will give the "standoff treatment" to, and aim that at the front VRM heat sink. This fan will have three times the CFM. If I I like the fan and I break the loop down again, I will see if I can fit a single 50 x 10 under the top rad (or maybe a double - but that's stretch).

I will follow up with additional posts and pictures.
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Build: msi C8r (Carbon8r)
Core i7-9700K OC 5 GHz, MSI Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON Mobo, AMD Radeon VII GPU OC 2K MHz, Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Phanteks Enthoo Pro M SE ATX Case.
XSPC RayStorm Pro CPU w/b, Bykski Radeon VII GPU w/b, EKWB 140 Revo D5 Pump & Res.
Aquacomputer Aquaero 6 LT USB Fan-Controller, Vision Touch and 'High Flow' Sensor.
(2x) Hardware Labs Black ice Nemesis 280GTS XFLOW radiators and (1x) Alphacool NexXxoS XT45X-Flow 140 in full push/pull.
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This is the radiator mod I just added. I would like to get single digits while gaming and figured I had an extra hole that
could fit a radiator. Fitting a rad inside the case damned near impossible with my configuration, so I figured let's take the party outside. After considering out how to optimize for best efficiency while trying to use a bunch of components I had leftover I had the following idea. Change my loop flow direction and add a parallel CPU/GPU loop.

OLD Loop order: Pump/Res > AQ Flow Sensor > Temp probe > Front 280mm INTAKE radiator > Top 280mm INTAKE radiator > temp probe > CPU > GPU > Back to Res.

NEW Loop order: Pump/Res > parallel CPU/GPU loop > temp probe > Rear 140mm EXHAUST radiator > Top 280mm INTAKE radiator > Front 280mm INTAKE radiator > Temp probe > AQ Flow Sensor > Back to Pump/Res.

By flipping the loop around I will get the water at it's hottest (after the blocks) and then run it through the Rear EXHAUST radiator. Since the water is at its warmest, it will get better heat exchange with the warm case air. This way the Rear 140 will act as a pre-cooler for the two 280mm Radiators that are sucking in pure Ambient goodness.

With the recent mods I am managed to 'straighten out' some of my loop runs, to make it easier to add hard tubing later on (if I want to go that route). The crossflow radiators I used saved me a bunch of tubing runs so the case has very few visible soft tubing runs across the top. The three rads are literally running my loop around three sides of my case.
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Build: msi C8r (Carbon8r)
Core i7-9700K OC 5 GHz, MSI Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON Mobo, AMD Radeon VII GPU OC 2K MHz, Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Phanteks Enthoo Pro M SE ATX Case.
XSPC RayStorm Pro CPU w/b, Bykski Radeon VII GPU w/b, EKWB 140 Revo D5 Pump & Res.
Aquacomputer Aquaero 6 LT USB Fan-Controller, Vision Touch and 'High Flow' Sensor.
(2x) Hardware Labs Black ice Nemesis 280GTS XFLOW radiators and (1x) Alphacool NexXxoS XT45X-Flow 140 in full push/pull.
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Finally some pics of my case. I bent the acrylic light deck myself with 6mm white 40% translucent (60% opaque) acrylic sheet. I also used the acrylic to make light diffusers to hide the RGB and UV LED strips. I also used a piece in the base of the case to close off my PSU area and give me a place to mount my Aquaero LT6.
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Build: msi C8r (Carbon8r)
Core i7-9700K OC 5 GHz, MSI Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON Mobo, AMD Radeon VII GPU OC 2K MHz, Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Phanteks Enthoo Pro M SE ATX Case.
XSPC RayStorm Pro CPU w/b, Bykski Radeon VII GPU w/b, EKWB 140 Revo D5 Pump & Res.
Aquacomputer Aquaero 6 LT USB Fan-Controller, Vision Touch and 'High Flow' Sensor.
(2x) Hardware Labs Black ice Nemesis 280GTS XFLOW radiators and (1x) Alphacool NexXxoS XT45X-Flow 140 in full push/pull.
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Our house is too small for me to be able to have my own man cave, so the wife graciously gave me carte blanche to an ENTIRE corner in our spare bedroom.

Yes, that's right. I have a Man Corner.

Still better than what I had before. One dusty old desk surrounded by bookshelves filled with my old books.

I now have two PCs both with dual monitors on a L shaped black tempered glass desk. One nice thing is I now have a 'toy' shelf show off my goodies.
Three 24" 1080 120mhz refresh monitors and a big old Samsung C32HG70 32" HDR QLED 144Hz 1ms Curved Gaming Monitor with Freesync. Of course the Samsung is connected to my C8r gaming rig.
Both of my C8r monitors are on wall mount full articulation arms. The Samsung does not get moved for game play (but it is handy to use when cleaning or running wires), but the other monitor is pulled out and set on angle to my left. This comes in handy as I can keep game guides open on the BlackBoxx while I am playing on the Carbon8r, and swivel back and forth between them.
My C8r is on top of a rolling file cabinet with a tempered glass top. this comes in handy as I can pull it out and work on it right next to my desk.

That is my wifes new desk on the far right. She was busting my chops about how cool my stuff was and all the cool lights I had. So like a good husband, I built her a new Windows 10 NUC, added custom lighting to her desk (both RGB and white work lights on separate switches), bought her a 27" 1080p monitor, and hooked her with some cool Wonder Woman swag. She liked my "Vision" acrylic ball mount I made (with an RGB LED that changes color with my loop temp) so i bought her a Red 3' Acrylic Ball and a white dual LED. Cut and frosted the ball myself and drilled a hole in the back to mount the LEDs. She likes red, so she was very happy with everything. Then for Mothers day I bought her a cool Alex and Ani Wonder Wonder bracelet she had her eyes on. I'm golden now!

My BlackBox PC is a TT Core G3 with a X470 Tomahawk Mobo and a Ryzen 5 2600x and an MSI RX590 Armor OC GPU all air cooled. This is what I work from, do bills and email with and also game with when my C8r gaming rig is being worked on or being stress tested. https://pcpartpicker.com/b/37xG3C
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Build: msi C8r (Carbon8r)
Core i7-9700K OC 5 GHz, MSI Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON Mobo, AMD Radeon VII GPU OC 2K MHz, Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Phanteks Enthoo Pro M SE ATX Case.
XSPC RayStorm Pro CPU w/b, Bykski Radeon VII GPU w/b, EKWB 140 Revo D5 Pump & Res.
Aquacomputer Aquaero 6 LT USB Fan-Controller, Vision Touch and 'High Flow' Sensor.
(2x) Hardware Labs Black ice Nemesis 280GTS XFLOW radiators and (1x) Alphacool NexXxoS XT45X-Flow 140 in full push/pull.
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Wow nice build. Looks like an epic corner

Intertwined Desk
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Thanks. it works for me. Once your in the zone, you only need a corner.

Build: msi C8r (Carbon8r)
Core i7-9700K OC 5 GHz, MSI Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON Mobo, AMD Radeon VII GPU OC 2K MHz, Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Phanteks Enthoo Pro M SE ATX Case.
XSPC RayStorm Pro CPU w/b, Bykski Radeon VII GPU w/b, EKWB 140 Revo D5 Pump & Res.
Aquacomputer Aquaero 6 LT USB Fan-Controller, Vision Touch and 'High Flow' Sensor.
(2x) Hardware Labs Black ice Nemesis 280GTS XFLOW radiators and (1x) Alphacool NexXxoS XT45X-Flow 140 in full push/pull.
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