TC Change Proposals: Updated March 2019 - Overclock.net - An Overclocking Community

Forum Jump: 

TC Change Proposals: Updated March 2019

Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 92 (permalink) Old 10-01-2018, 11:54 AM - Thread Starter
Typo Elemental
 
Simmons572's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Carboard box, power strip, and a 56k modem.
Posts: 3,032
TC Change Proposals: Updated March 2019

Hey everyone, it looks like this thread is seems to be the go-to for suggesting changes to the TC, so I will attempt to keep this up to date as proposals are made.


March 2019

Adding GPU's to the TC:

GPU-O
  • RTX 2080 (already in place)
  • RTX 2070
  • Vega VII

GPU-L
  • RTX 2060
  • GTX 1660 Ti

AMD
  • RX 590

The 2080 Ti, Titan V and Titan RTX seem to be a bit too big for the time being.



Last Ruling, Enacted Fall 2018:
Spoiler!

CPU
AMD Threadripper 1900x
Motherboard
Asus Prime X399-A
GPU
EVGA 1080 Classified
Hard Drive
Samsung 960 Evo
Hard Drive
Intel 750 Series 400GB U.2
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB
Power Supply
Seasonic 1050w 80+ Gold
Case
Corsair Air 740
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
CPU
i5 6600k
Motherboard
Asus Z170i Pro Gaming
GPU
Sapphire R9 Nano
RAM
Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400
Hard Drive
Samsung 950 Pro 512 GB
Power Supply
Athena AP-MFATX40 400W Flex-ATX
Cooling
be quiet! ​PURE ROCK ​SLIM
Case
Lian-Li PC-TU 100B
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
Monitor
ViewSonic XG2401
Keyboard
MK Disco RGB TKL (KBT Brown)
Mouse
Razer Mamba TE
Mouse
Razer Firefly Cloth
Audio
Beyerdynam​ic DT 770 ​Pro 80 ohm
Audio
Antlion Audio ModMic 4 w/ Mute
Audio
Schiit Fulla 2
Other
Noctua NF-A9x14 (x2)
Other
Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR2-92
Other
Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR2-60 (x2)
Other
Fractal Design GP12-WT
CPU
i7 6800k
CPU
Xeon e5-1620 V3
Motherboard
EVGA Micro 2
GPU
Asus GTX 780
GPU
Sapphire Fury X
GPU
Sapphire RX 480
RAM
Kingston - FURY 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400
RAM
ADATA - XPG Z1 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400
Hard Drive
SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB
Hard Drive
Kingston - SSDNow V200
Power Supply
Corsair HX850i
Cooling
be quiet! - PURE ROCK
Case
Thermaltake Core V21
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
▲ hide details ▲



Last edited by Simmons572; 03-05-2019 at 05:46 AM.
Simmons572 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 92 (permalink) Old 10-01-2018, 12:00 PM - Thread Starter
Typo Elemental
 
Simmons572's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Carboard box, power strip, and a 56k modem.
Posts: 3,032
As for some justification for my category choices:



The top portion here is the current category limits, the average PPD based on the PPD database, and the highest grossing WU's based on the database.
The bottom portion is my proposed change, based on numbers from the database.

By increasing the Upper limit of GPU-O and GPU-L, there will not be as significant of a gap between the 2 categories. I expect there to be an overlap until we can get proper hardware slotted into GPU-O.
AMD remains unchanged, until we can get more info about the Vega 56/64/FE GPUs.
nVidia's upper limit has been raised to match the AMD category. This way teams can remain a bit more competitive cross categories.
GPU-W's upper limit has been raised to match the former nVidia category. This should put PPD close to what 16C/32T CPU's can put out these days.

CPU
AMD Threadripper 1900x
Motherboard
Asus Prime X399-A
GPU
EVGA 1080 Classified
Hard Drive
Samsung 960 Evo
Hard Drive
Intel 750 Series 400GB U.2
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB
Power Supply
Seasonic 1050w 80+ Gold
Case
Corsair Air 740
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
CPU
i5 6600k
Motherboard
Asus Z170i Pro Gaming
GPU
Sapphire R9 Nano
RAM
Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400
Hard Drive
Samsung 950 Pro 512 GB
Power Supply
Athena AP-MFATX40 400W Flex-ATX
Cooling
be quiet! ​PURE ROCK ​SLIM
Case
Lian-Li PC-TU 100B
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
Monitor
ViewSonic XG2401
Keyboard
MK Disco RGB TKL (KBT Brown)
Mouse
Razer Mamba TE
Mouse
Razer Firefly Cloth
Audio
Beyerdynam​ic DT 770 ​Pro 80 ohm
Audio
Antlion Audio ModMic 4 w/ Mute
Audio
Schiit Fulla 2
Other
Noctua NF-A9x14 (x2)
Other
Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR2-92
Other
Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR2-60 (x2)
Other
Fractal Design GP12-WT
CPU
i7 6800k
CPU
Xeon e5-1620 V3
Motherboard
EVGA Micro 2
GPU
Asus GTX 780
GPU
Sapphire Fury X
GPU
Sapphire RX 480
RAM
Kingston - FURY 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400
RAM
ADATA - XPG Z1 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400
Hard Drive
SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB
Hard Drive
Kingston - SSDNow V200
Power Supply
Corsair HX850i
Cooling
be quiet! - PURE ROCK
Case
Thermaltake Core V21
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
▲ hide details ▲


Simmons572 is offline  
post #3 of 92 (permalink) Old 10-01-2018, 12:11 PM
2+2=5
 
tictoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,474
I can get some Vega 64 numbers posted later this week. I'm retiring a Vega 64 from my testing server, and moving it into my main machine later in the week. Most of the numbers will be in Linux, but I could run it in Windows for a bit before I swap it into my main rig.


On the subject of the new category limits, what you have there looks good so far. I especially like the idea of bumping up the CPU categories. Even though CPU folding is not what it once was, we may be able to snag a few more people with cores to spare, now that high thread count CPUs are becoming more prevalent.


tictoc is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 92 (permalink) Old 10-01-2018, 02:32 PM
New to Overclock.net
 
mmonnin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 5,827
Rep: 282 (Unique: 135)
1050/1050Ti cards are common. I'm guessing GPU-W? Might want to just find a spot for the last 2 generations of AMD/NV cards. Vega/Polaris and Pascal/Maxwell.


mmonnin is offline  
post #5 of 92 (permalink) Old 10-01-2018, 05:19 PM - Thread Starter
Typo Elemental
 
Simmons572's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Carboard box, power strip, and a 56k modem.
Posts: 3,032
Quote: Originally Posted by tictoc View Post
I can get some Vega 64 numbers posted later this week. I'm retiring a Vega 64 from my testing server, and moving it into my main machine later in the week. Most of the numbers will be in Linux, but I could run it in Windows for a bit before I swap it into my main rig.


On the subject of the new category limits, what you have there looks good so far. I especially like the idea of bumping up the CPU categories. Even though CPU folding is not what it once was, we may be able to snag a few more people with cores to spare, now that high thread count CPUs are becoming more prevalent.
Thanks for the input bud. And Vega 64 numbers would be great to have, that should give us a good idea about where Vega 56 performs as well.

Quote: Originally Posted by mmonnin View Post
1050/1050Ti cards are common. I'm guessing GPU-W? Might want to just find a spot for the last 2 generations of AMD/NV cards. Vega/Polaris and Pascal/Maxwell.
The 1050 ti looks like it sits at 193k PPD on average. That would be just above the 780. I think it makes sense, so I will add it to the list

I believe we have covered the spectrum of Pascal here. Once we get some info about the Vega GPUs, I was considering putting Vega at the top end of the AMD category, which would mean making the 980ti the top end of the nVidia category. I think that could definitely work, but we will need more info first.

Thanks for the input folks!

CPU
AMD Threadripper 1900x
Motherboard
Asus Prime X399-A
GPU
EVGA 1080 Classified
Hard Drive
Samsung 960 Evo
Hard Drive
Intel 750 Series 400GB U.2
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB
Power Supply
Seasonic 1050w 80+ Gold
Case
Corsair Air 740
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
CPU
i5 6600k
Motherboard
Asus Z170i Pro Gaming
GPU
Sapphire R9 Nano
RAM
Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400
Hard Drive
Samsung 950 Pro 512 GB
Power Supply
Athena AP-MFATX40 400W Flex-ATX
Cooling
be quiet! ​PURE ROCK ​SLIM
Case
Lian-Li PC-TU 100B
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
Monitor
ViewSonic XG2401
Keyboard
MK Disco RGB TKL (KBT Brown)
Mouse
Razer Mamba TE
Mouse
Razer Firefly Cloth
Audio
Beyerdynam​ic DT 770 ​Pro 80 ohm
Audio
Antlion Audio ModMic 4 w/ Mute
Audio
Schiit Fulla 2
Other
Noctua NF-A9x14 (x2)
Other
Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR2-92
Other
Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR2-60 (x2)
Other
Fractal Design GP12-WT
CPU
i7 6800k
CPU
Xeon e5-1620 V3
Motherboard
EVGA Micro 2
GPU
Asus GTX 780
GPU
Sapphire Fury X
GPU
Sapphire RX 480
RAM
Kingston - FURY 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400
RAM
ADATA - XPG Z1 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400
Hard Drive
SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB
Hard Drive
Kingston - SSDNow V200
Power Supply
Corsair HX850i
Cooling
be quiet! - PURE ROCK
Case
Thermaltake Core V21
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
▲ hide details ▲


Simmons572 is offline  
post #6 of 92 (permalink) Old 10-01-2018, 07:25 PM
Canada Goose Puncher
 
CynicalUnicorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Extra-west Virginia
Posts: 9,126
Question: why the 16C/32T limit in the i7 category? That limits X299 users to the 7960X; they can’t use the 7980XE and its 18 cores. Both of them will likely have enough thermal issues that the 12.5% extra cores on the 7980XE won’t be close to 12.5% higher PPD.

Admittedly I’m not familiar with either CPU’s folding performance, but I am familiar with the abysmal thermal limitations. A 7960X due to its reduced core count and therefore power consumption ought to hit somewhat higher clockspeeds than a 7980XE and reach similar performance.

If you’re worried about paying to win, just remember that there’s a $1000 difference between a 7980XE and 2950X. That’s a lot of extra money to be thrown at a cooling system.

Quote: Originally Posted by TheBadBull View Post
someone sig this


CynicalUnicorn is offline  
post #7 of 92 (permalink) Old 10-01-2018, 07:32 PM
2+2=5
 
tictoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,474
In the past it has usually been OK to use higher core count CPUs, as long as the the folding was limited to the maximum number of allowed threads with the client.


tictoc is offline  
post #8 of 92 (permalink) Old 10-02-2018, 07:04 AM - Thread Starter
Typo Elemental
 
Simmons572's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Carboard box, power strip, and a 56k modem.
Posts: 3,032
Quote: Originally Posted by tictoc View Post
In the past it has usually been OK to use higher core count CPUs, as long as the the folding was limited to the maximum number of allowed threads with the client.
Basically this. By setting the limit at 16C/32T, people will be able to use basically whatever CPU they want in this day and age, and if they have a CPU that has more cores, just limit it to the 16C/32T requirement.

CPU
AMD Threadripper 1900x
Motherboard
Asus Prime X399-A
GPU
EVGA 1080 Classified
Hard Drive
Samsung 960 Evo
Hard Drive
Intel 750 Series 400GB U.2
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB
Power Supply
Seasonic 1050w 80+ Gold
Case
Corsair Air 740
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
CPU
i5 6600k
Motherboard
Asus Z170i Pro Gaming
GPU
Sapphire R9 Nano
RAM
Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400
Hard Drive
Samsung 950 Pro 512 GB
Power Supply
Athena AP-MFATX40 400W Flex-ATX
Cooling
be quiet! ​PURE ROCK ​SLIM
Case
Lian-Li PC-TU 100B
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
Monitor
ViewSonic XG2401
Keyboard
MK Disco RGB TKL (KBT Brown)
Mouse
Razer Mamba TE
Mouse
Razer Firefly Cloth
Audio
Beyerdynam​ic DT 770 ​Pro 80 ohm
Audio
Antlion Audio ModMic 4 w/ Mute
Audio
Schiit Fulla 2
Other
Noctua NF-A9x14 (x2)
Other
Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR2-92
Other
Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR2-60 (x2)
Other
Fractal Design GP12-WT
CPU
i7 6800k
CPU
Xeon e5-1620 V3
Motherboard
EVGA Micro 2
GPU
Asus GTX 780
GPU
Sapphire Fury X
GPU
Sapphire RX 480
RAM
Kingston - FURY 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400
RAM
ADATA - XPG Z1 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400
Hard Drive
SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB
Hard Drive
Kingston - SSDNow V200
Power Supply
Corsair HX850i
Cooling
be quiet! - PURE ROCK
Case
Thermaltake Core V21
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
▲ hide details ▲


Simmons572 is offline  
post #9 of 92 (permalink) Old 10-02-2018, 07:18 AM
unRAID Enthusiast
 
WonderMutt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: FraxTech HQ
Posts: 3,586
Rep: 95 (Unique: 69)
I'll cast my vote to agree with all of this, it all looks good to me. Also, maybe shaking things up a bit will bring more people into the Fold (pun very much intended!).

This is where my signature used to be...


WonderMutt is offline  
post #10 of 92 (permalink) Old 10-02-2018, 07:23 AM - Thread Starter
Typo Elemental
 
Simmons572's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Carboard box, power strip, and a 56k modem.
Posts: 3,032
I think the biggest pain for all of this is getting hardware shuffled around, so once we get some more input, we can decide on a date to put forth the change, and I can work with the editors to ensure a smoov transition

CPU
AMD Threadripper 1900x
Motherboard
Asus Prime X399-A
GPU
EVGA 1080 Classified
Hard Drive
Samsung 960 Evo
Hard Drive
Intel 750 Series 400GB U.2
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB
Power Supply
Seasonic 1050w 80+ Gold
Case
Corsair Air 740
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
CPU
i5 6600k
Motherboard
Asus Z170i Pro Gaming
GPU
Sapphire R9 Nano
RAM
Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400
Hard Drive
Samsung 950 Pro 512 GB
Power Supply
Athena AP-MFATX40 400W Flex-ATX
Cooling
be quiet! ​PURE ROCK ​SLIM
Case
Lian-Li PC-TU 100B
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
Monitor
ViewSonic XG2401
Keyboard
MK Disco RGB TKL (KBT Brown)
Mouse
Razer Mamba TE
Mouse
Razer Firefly Cloth
Audio
Beyerdynam​ic DT 770 ​Pro 80 ohm
Audio
Antlion Audio ModMic 4 w/ Mute
Audio
Schiit Fulla 2
Other
Noctua NF-A9x14 (x2)
Other
Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR2-92
Other
Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR2-60 (x2)
Other
Fractal Design GP12-WT
CPU
i7 6800k
CPU
Xeon e5-1620 V3
Motherboard
EVGA Micro 2
GPU
Asus GTX 780
GPU
Sapphire Fury X
GPU
Sapphire RX 480
RAM
Kingston - FURY 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400
RAM
ADATA - XPG Z1 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400
Hard Drive
SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB
Hard Drive
Kingston - SSDNow V200
Power Supply
Corsair HX850i
Cooling
be quiet! - PURE ROCK
Case
Thermaltake Core V21
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro
▲ hide details ▲


Simmons572 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Overclock.net - An Overclocking Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off