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WiFi connection, data only?

Is a WiFi connection only good for data? If connected is WiFi used for VoIP instead of the cellular network? Why doesn't a WiFi connection work for MMS messages?
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pull sim card temporarily and see what works on wifi, what i'd do.

alternatives for VoIP & SMS may exist without using internal phone carrier systems
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IIf connected is WiFi used for VoIP instead of the cellular network?

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Why doesn't a WiFi connection work for MMS messages?

MMS requires data from your mobile network provider, the difference is some mobile network operators still give you this data access just for MMS even if you do not have a data plan just so the MMS will work. If your provider does not throw in complimentary data only for MMS and you do not have a data plan you will not be able to receive MMS messages and since it must go through their network using a WIFI connection to provide the data will not work.

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Google Fi does what you're asking and it's what I've been using since late 2015.

If you're connected to WiFi, calls/text get sent through WiFi. If there's no WiFi, you alternate between Sprint/T-Mobile/U.S. Cellular (whichever gives you the best service).

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Quote: Originally Posted by The Pook View Post
Google Fi does what you're asking and it's what I've been using since late 2015.

If you're connected to WiFi, calls/text get sent through WiFi. If there's no WiFi, you alternate between Sprint/T-Mobile/U.S. Cellular (whichever gives you the best service).
So I guess it's a good idea not to text when on a public WiFI connection?
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So I guess it's a good idea not to text when on a public WiFI connection?
Not a good idea to text sensitive information at all, traditional SMS whether by mobile network or wifi is very insecure and basically unencrypted. Like accessing an HTTP website.

As for Google FI, kind of an overrated thing. There's something you can do that's very similar to how Google FI works and is potentially even cheaper. It's something the money saving penny pinchers have been doing for a while. Basically running a data only phone with a VOIP number.

I've done it myself just to see if it really worked, I'd heard of this technique or loophole so to speak on some deal hunter forums. Basically you need to get a data ONLY sim from a carrier, you can get something like 5-6gb for $10 from some carriers. The problem is getting them to issue you a data only sim without any other active phone lines. This is where you need to sort of grey area social engineer mobile phone sales people to issue you one.


After that you sign up for a VOIP number but at a Tier 1 VOIP provider, so not the click download this app and everything works VOIP providers. The companies that provide the raw back end for VOIP, give you an IP, port number and the rest is on you to setup your PBX. Something like VOIP.sms. Then you set your phone to using calling accounts/VOIP and send SMS through VOIP and you can basically make unlimited calls for the $10/month data plan plus a few cents for your number. Getting a VOIP number from the back end providers/making calls is charged at rates literally as low as 0.0000001 cents. This is actually the business model of companies like Vonage, Oma and all the other home phone VOIP providers. They seriously mark up what's really cheap technology.

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As for Google FI, kind of an overrated thing. There's something you can do that's very similar to how Google FI works and is potentially even cheaper. It's something the money saving penny pinchers have been doing for a while. Basically running a data only phone with a VOIP number.

I've done it myself just to see if it really worked, I'd heard of this technique or loophole so to speak on some deal hunter forums. Basically you need to get a data ONLY sim from a carrier, you can get something like 5-6gb for $10 from some carriers. The problem is getting them to issue you a data only sim without any other active phone lines. This is where you need to sort of grey area social engineer mobile phone sales people to issue you one.


After that you sign up for a VOIP number but at a Tier 1 VOIP provider, so not the click download this app and everything works VOIP providers. The companies that provide the raw back end for VOIP, give you an IP, port number and the rest is on you to setup your PBX. Something like VOIP.sms. Then you set your phone to using calling accounts/VOIP and send SMS through VOIP and you can basically make unlimited calls for the $10/month data plan plus a few cents for your number. Getting a VOIP number from the back end providers/making calls is charged at rates literally as low as 0.0000001 cents. This is actually the business model of companies like Vonage, Oma and all the other home phone VOIP providers. They seriously mark up what's really cheap technology.

where can you get "6GB for $10" ? Mint Mobile is by far the cheapest in my area that I found and it's $15/month for 3GB but it's an introductory offer that after 3 months goes up to $25.

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where can you get "6GB for $10" ? Mint Mobile is by far the cheapest in my area that I found and it's $15/month for 3GB but it's an introductory offer that after 3 months goes up to $25.
Look for "tablet" or "smart XYZ device" SIM card data plans. These can be used in a phone but they sell data at cheaper rates and tell you that you can't use it in a phone but it works. Look at plans from MVNO's, they end up getting the data cheaper as the big three providers re-sell unused bandwidth.

https://bestmvno.com/compare/data-only-plans/

3gb of data for VOIP will essentially let you make unlimited amounts of calls. I think I measured it and 1hr of talk time is like 12mb or something. Unless you are a streaming whore 3gb is more than enough for what I would consider mobile use, it's a flat rate, no e-911 fee since it's VOIP, etc.

Here is the thing though, they don't tell you about this or Google FI. You are making VOIP calls through LTE, so what's known as VOIP over LTE, this is much different than VoLTE (Voice over LTE) which carriers are supporting to enhance voice calls.

Sending or receiving VOIP calls through LTE works fine in a major city with massive LTE saturation or slightly outside of one if you are stationary but making VOIP over LTE calls while on the road traveling between states or major towns where you only have one cell tower and you are downgraded to 3G or 2G data, there will be way too much jitter and the call will be unbearable. A normal cell phone with any major carrier with a normal phone number doesn't have this issue as the call gets routed through old school radio telephony 2G systems if a data connection isn't available in an area. People don't seem to know that data and cell is actually two separate things, but with stuff like Google FI you are doing VOIP over LTE which means phone calls over data only, no data no ability to call. Now I imagine Google might have some sort of fall back for this/agreement with mobile carriers allowing you to use traditional cell networks just in case so people aren't left stranded but the core technology and the way they make money off this is that it's them providing you VOIP over LTE service, re-branding it and selling it to you as something else hugely marked up. My point is, if you are willing to do the leg work you can essentially do the same thing but even cheaper. Like $10-15 cheaper.

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Google Fi does what you're asking and it's what I've been using since late 2015.

If you're connected to WiFi, calls/text get sent through WiFi. If there's no WiFi, you alternate between Sprint/T-Mobile/U.S. Cellular (whichever gives you the best service).
I wouldn't ever spend a penny of my money supporting G00lag.
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My point is, if you are willing to do the leg work you can essentially do the same thing but even cheaper. Like $10-15 cheaper.

Fi works good enough for me, I haven't had any complaints. I joined when it was still a beta and got grandfathered in at a slightly lower price but my highest bill was $70 and is generally <$30.

I was looking for a data only SIM for my mom but she wouldn't get the lower rates though, and from what a few people are saying on Reddit if I do add her to my plan I'd also lose my grandfathered-in lower rates.

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I wouldn't ever spend a penny of my money supporting G00lag.

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