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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 06-22-2019, 12:28 PM - Thread Starter
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Smartphones? Or spyphones?

One of my friends describes anything except iphones as being "spyphones, the portable, electronic, government and corporate surveillance device!" He only likes iphones because their encryption is nearly impossible to break (allegedly).

But is there any truth to this?
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That's a garbage argument since you can get aftermarket opensource distributions such as Android Opensource project (AOSP) based OSes.


LineageOS (based on Cyanogenmod) for example.


From what I've experienced troubleshooting people's Iphones (i.e. relatives who buy into Apple ecosystem) people sign up for icloud once they buy their devices. With Android , Google asks you to sign in on first boot as well.

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Every piece of hardware made since circa 2010 has a backdoor not to mention software and every device can be hacked. I'd say iPhones are most secure out of the box without any IPL/SPL/Custom OS ****ery and all that nonsense. If you wanna stay secure, use a Nokia 3310 or something similar.
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Every piece of hardware made since circa 2010 has a backdoor not to mention software and every device can be hacked. I'd say iPhones are most secure out of the box without any IPL/SPL/Custom OS ****ery and all that nonsense. If you wanna stay secure, use a Nokia 3310 or something similar.
ACKHUALLY, even old phones can be "hacked". If its electronics, and communicates somehow with the rest of the world, using Internet or radiowaves, it can be "hacked".

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Quote: Originally Posted by Damage Inc View Post
Every piece of hardware made since circa 2010 has a backdoor not to mention software and every device can be hacked. I'd say iPhones are most secure out of the box without any IPL/SPL/Custom OS ****ery and all that nonsense. If you wanna stay secure, use a Nokia 3310 or something similar.
Not a bad idea except for the fact it seems like all cellular service providers are headed towards VoLTE. Verizon will not activate a new service for any non VoLTE devices.

Is it true voice communications are monitored by cellphone service providers (i.e. to provide marketing data)?
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Out of box, stock vs stock. iPhones beat out Android 100:1 in the privacy/security game. No contest.


However if you compare modded Android (something that's literally a 0.1%'er thing to do) with custom roms, custom kernels, root access, ip tables level firewalls, entire phone routed through TOR, etc. Then a modded Android phone can be more secure and private than an iPhone by the same 100:1 magnitude.

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After a few minutes/clicks, reading news feed or watching some videos on youtube apk apknite for a few, they show me several relevant ads. And even in my friend's case, they just talking. How can an app eavesdrop our conversation? when I allow mic permission?
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Unless you are not installing ANYTHING on either, privacy or security on either doesn't really exist. As apps are one of the big offenders. Another thing people seem to not understand is that Apple also sells user data like Android, it has been reported many times that the data set collected is one of the richest in the industry. Now, like Android, they claim it is all scrubbed of personal identification etc etc, how much of that you believe, or how secure the methods that are used for this and if they are not back traceable in some form, is highly debatable, but a few researches have been able to narrow down the data to specific people fairly accurately with the scrubbed data collected from both. And all of that assumes no backdoors built in that none of us will probably never know for sure if they exist.

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Apple does not collect and store as much data as Google or others. Apple still collect, though, and iphones are still susceptible to exploitable flaws. While iPhones may be a bit better, it will generally come down to the user.
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