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Question Slow nvme - help needed

Hello everyone,

I'm not quite happy with the performance of my nvme drive.

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OS: Windows Home 10 64 bit

The whole system is watercooled (nvme has no cooling).

Problem:
The whole system is so slow. BIOS time in Windows has always been between 20-35 seconds. Takes about 45 seconds to start computer without password typing (ready on desktop). Video editing is slow, rendering 2-3 minutes 4K videos takes forever. Opening files are slow (games, programs etc).

What I have done:
- Updated to newest BIOS version.
- As far as I know, there's know nvme driver for Intel 600p, only the Toolbox cr*p, so I guess I'm using the nvme driver built in Windows. Toolbox shows that the drive is in perfect condition.
- Freshly reinstalled Windows 10.
- Before reinstall in BIOS: CSM set to Auto. Secure boot set to "Other OS". Cleared secure boot keys under key management. Installed Windows 10. Set secure boot to Windows UEFI. Installed default secure boots under key management.
- Bench-marked the nvme (1gb seq): 1345 mb/s read - 549 mb/s write (read is quite slower than Intel's specs on the 600p, which is 1775 mb/s)
- Important: idle temps of the nvme is around 50 C, and at workload goes up to 70 C. Worries me a lot. Problem is that it's located right under my second gfx, which does get up to 45 C under heavy 4k gaming, all though water cooled.

My thoughts:
1. Is there a better/correct way to install Windows on these nvme's to gain optimal performance?

2. Are there other BIOS settings I have to change that would let me use the nvme's full speed and get faster startup and general performance? I think I've misunderstood something here.

3. I've read many places that heat can affect the performances of the nvme's. I don't have space for a heatsink or fan. If I got a PCIe m.2 adapter, then I'll get the space, but problem is that the only PCIe ports I have available are x1, they won't support the high speeds of the nvme anyway. Any suggestions?

4. I'm using a 55" Samsung 8 series 4K tv as my computer screen (I don't have other screens), and this is not the worlds fastest tv. Do you guys think some of the startup delay I'm experiencing lays in the tv's loss in connection between the startup pages (bios, windows, logon)?

5. If there is no solution to this, would I benefit from upgrading to a 960 pro. Can I expect a difference in performance? The 960 pro is after all, according to the specs and reviews, a monster compared to the 600p.

I have a 5 year old laptop with normal ssd, starts up in 3 seconds. So my bigger system should perform better than it's doing today. Please, any help is appreciated.



Thanks a lot guys.
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NVME drives are not faster or better then older drives using the older AHCI potocole due to software limitations in Windows
Unless you are working with huge file sizes and workloads or stuff where the drive is the bottleneck NVME is a waste of time and money for most users

Its been proven that for gaming NVME drives load just as fast or slow as drives using AHCI so if you are using your drive for gaming its not going to be better or faster
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check some bios settings out
i cant remember what they are called but there's usually a quick boot option, and possibly some setting which analyzes memory before each boot
make sure there's no exceptions for using the NVME slot you are using, ie does it conflict with a pcie slot etc (check the manual)

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The Asus page on your mobo says it shares bandwith with the front m.2 slot and the sata1 port, and there is some bios setting regarding this. If you have that sata spot occupied, maybe switch that cable somewhere else and check the bios. And what the above guy said about quick boot stuff.

Your nvme drive seems plenty fast, but a rig with a lot of components will always take longer to boot. My minimal itx with an 850 evo boots as fast as my gaming rig with optane, for example. And there isn't that big a difference with optane in everyday use imo.

Edit: also maybe you could check to see if you could minimize traffic over your chipset to cpu lanes. Like if you have wifi and ethernet busy maybe just choose 1 and make the other quiet in bios? IDK, I've never loaded a chipset too heavy except on atom systems and they really struggle with that.

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Thanks for all your input guys.

Shilka #2: I'm surprised to hear that. Is it gonna be the same if I upgraded to a much faster nvme like the 960 pro? Samsung has nvme drivers to replace the ones in windows, doesn't that solve the software limitations?

alanthecelt #3: all checked. Every bios setting checked. Nothing is conflicting with the nvme's speed.

rluker5 #4: yeah I should have mentioned that I'm not using any other storage drives, my nvme is the only drive in the system, but yeah I know the m.2 shares the bandwith some sata ports. But how do I check and minimize the traffic in the chipset? Didn't know that was an option.
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Drivers are not going to help in a OS thats 6 or more years behind the hardware
The problem is either Microsoft being being behind the times or NVME being ahead of the Windows 10 so take your pick

NVME at this point in time is a gimmick and marketing hype and untill Microsoft gets around to updating or rebuilding Windows 10 it does not matter if you are using a drive with AHCI or NVME
Buy a Samung 860 Evo either in SATA or M.2 form its not going to be slower and you will get a lot more storage space for the same amount of money

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What? It is NOT a gimmick and marketing hype. How ridiculous.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/7843/...ss-with-asus/4

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Nothing from that article shows any proof that NVME is actually better than AHCI out in the real world
Synthetic benchmarks done in a lab is one thing but actual real world useage no its not all that much faster or better at least not for gaming

And NVME does have a lot of marketing hype behind it just like CLC coolers does
Does NVME work yes is it better yes in some cases it is a bit better and faster but its over exaggerated



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What? It is NOT a gimmick and marketing hype. How ridiculous.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/7843/...ss-with-asus/4
You could make a great case for SATA Express with that article. Amazing what four years of aging can do to a tech write up.

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Hi @GlassGamer

You can use modded intel nvme drivers in your 600p drive, look for >64bit Intel NVMe Driver v4.0.0.1007 mod+signed by me< here.

As for the boot time, I have no experience with that chipset, but I can share you mine with Z68, Z77 and X99. I moved from a Z77 board to an X99 one some years ago and noticed that it took way more to boot, but never really cared. Besides that, I also replaced a crucial M500 with a 850 EVO. I purchased an nmve drive a month ago and windows load times are better, but the windows animation still takes a bit. Note that this is a Windows 7 system.

The 850 Evo ended up on an old Z68 rig I have, which was already blazing fast to boot with a very old M4, but now it's even faster.

I can't explain the reason why the X99 system is slower to load Windows 7 (at least during the boot animation), but I can only guess:
· X99 systems (and perhaps others like Z270) boot using a lower performing cpu state.
· A driver (motherboard related, most likely) is slow to load. This could be audited with a tool that I can't remember (this one might work).

Regarding @shilka 's comment, I wouldn't use those words. Instead, I'll say that the benefits can hardly be noticed by users or are even hard to measure for tasks like game loading time, application start up or things like that.

One more thing: I really don't think that heat is going to impact boot times (or that you should worry about it right now, buy a cheap heatsink later down the road if you want), nor will the use of an specific nvme driver.

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