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post #11 of 24 (permalink) Old 08-12-2019, 05:54 PM
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Yeah someone else said a safety deposit box and I thought he was joking. I guess you guys are pretty serious about that then. It's certainly something to think about.

Thanks for the replies!

I haven't invested in an off-site solution yet myself for the majority of my data, but I have a backup and a backup of my backup stored separately on-site. Unless a meteor strikes me and my entire property off the map at least one of them should be safe (and if that happens I won't need my data).

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I have data drives doubled on all workstations using RAID1. They all get backed up to another couple sets of RAID1s on the Plex server. The work related and other sensitive backups from each backup location go to Carbonite and OneDrive. I haven't lost anything in a long time. I can normally catch it using the RAID1 setup long before I need to actually restore a backup, but for every desktop there is at least one laptop so it does happen. And you really need an off site copy because things blow up and disappear etc...



Our clan is still a bit old fashioned and we don't sync ****e. We all know how to schedule our backups and where to drop new pictures to get them in Plex. And if anyone has a video or audio track they want to add to the library they just ping the librarian.
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...There is also something called "data rot" that I thought was a joke until my backed up photos started coming out unreadable by my OS. It's only a consideration for deep storage/long term storage on a drive that sits tucked away for years without being accessed AFAIK. Had I connected up the drive even once a year or so there would have been no issue at all. Just food for thought.
Data rot (aka bit rot) is even worse for SSDs (and all my drives are SSDs). In most cases powering them up and reading them once a year will maintain the data. I just update the backups every month after I do the swap between the onsite and offsite backup drives, whether they need it or not, so the danger of bit rot is pretty much non-existent. It doesn't take long. I usually can do it all while watching the evening news on TV.

Having two onsite and two offsite backup drives for each computer data drive is overkill for most people but it has saved my bacon...er...data a time or two when something went wonky with a drive. Having the extra drive saved me a ton of time in recovery. Also, if a data drive goes belly up, I can temporarily replace it with one of the onsite backup drives (and still have the other backup drive) until I can populate the replacement drive.

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Note that all media are lossy long term. Tapes and DVD media have a limited life as do SSDs and old school HHD drives. We are talking here maybe 10 years before recovering data becomes a bit of a lottery, to keep data truly safe longer than that it needs to be regularly refreshed.

Where I work, we copy everything from the various workstations to a single backup server in another building that then writes to tape which goes off site every day. That is overkill in your case.

We investigated cloud solutions but, aside from issues with trusting mission critical data to someone else (we know of companies that went bankrupt because the US government closed down the mega-uploads server where they stored everything) it was impractical for our volume of data, it would have taken us 3 weeks to restore everything off cloud backup.


There are generally speaking three scenarios you need to worry about:

1) Power failure and or spikes/surges that wipe all unsaved work and potentially corrupt your boot disk. Solution - a cheap battery backup UPS. Considering the cost of most graphics workstations its almost criminal people do not pay out the extra few hundred for a basic UPS.

2) Drive failure in your workstation. You cover yourself for this one by either mirroring or regularly backing up your internal drives.

3) Loss of your entire workstation due to fire/theft/flood etc . These sort of disasters not only destroy the workstation but tend to wipe out any backup stored in a drawer or on a shelf in the same office in one fell swoop. This is the one that requires offsite storage (Or at very least a fire/bomb proof safe on your premises but that is risky). Note daily offsite storage can also allow recovery of mistakenly deleted or changed files and recovery from malware.

I would suggest:
1. getting a basic UPS
2. use mirroring to keep a warm backup of current data
3. Archive any older data and store it offsite. Update this offsite storage regularly.

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I have two Ryzen systems and their main drives are an image of the other. Each system have spare drives that are an image of the main drives. Using Macrium to image the drives in each system in a monthly basis (if time allows).

If any of the systems fail, it won't be a total loss since I can easily swap drives between systems. Win10 made swapping drives so much easier.

This is in addition to having backups in a storage.

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The big problem with mirroring (RAID 1) is, if your computer gets a virus or other malware, such as ransomware, the mirror will also get infected. If you accidentally delete a file, it will be deleted from the mirror as well. For a backup drive to be a true backup, it must be kept powered down and disconnected from the computer except while updating the backup.

A mirror is fine to keep you computer chugging along after a drive failure but it isn't really a backup. You still need to have an onsite backup that is kept powered down and disconnected from the computer and gets updated frequently (preferably as soon as possible after adding or changing critical data rather than just at a fixed interval; keep in mind that data that isn't backed up will be lost forever if things go sideways) and, to avoid data loss due to really bad catastrophes, such as fire, flood, theft, human error, equipment failure, etc., you also need an offsite backup. The offsite backup needs to be updated as often as is practical (again, keep in mind that data that hasn't been backed up will be lost forever if things go wrong).

I update a local backup as soon as possible after adding or changing critical data (it takes only a few minutes, typically less than five). While I normally swap out my onsite and offsite backups once a month, if I've added or changed critical data, I will make the swap as soon as is practical rather than wait until the normally scheduled swap.

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Hey guys thanks for all the input and advice. I'm going to consider everything here. I have a Synology Diskstation but when I try to export photography to it, the CPU inside of the enclosure goes to 100% for an extended period of time trying to make thumbnails of all the photos. It's an old enclosure from 2013 so it's running an old CPU and it only has a single core.

I'm thinking of going FreeNAS but I need to keep costs down and right now I had to buy new laptops for the family, so I think my best bet is to buy a 2nd external HDD and keep that on the top floor of the house.

What do you guys think about external HDDs that have Wifi in them? I know Western Digital has one but the reviews aren't that good.

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I'm paranoid about file loss as well, I do a lot of audio recording of me playing guitar

And I have over 1tb of photos from various vacations and family reunions.

Not to mention a very vast collection of music, tv, and movies.


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I wouldn't use a proprietary data server. I have tried a few and they all suck. I recommend gutting an old case and spending a few hundred on a modern low-end mb and cpu and new drives if possible or whatever you can find and new drives. If you get infected, well you should have been more careful. And an infected backup doesn't help no matter where it sits. You should do fulls once a week at least and then incremental at least once a day to a backup server. And keep as many full sets as space allows. Sending the full backup sets to the cloud or somewhere else off site on tape or whatever your flavor is next. There is course Carbonite and all the rest that will do incremental backups for you as you update as long as you have an internet connection. You could use Carbonite or another just to backup the backup server. For a couple workstations we have scheduled tasks that call a script that uses robocopy to send each new backup set to a cloud drive. That is a simple way to automate offsite backup set archiving.

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...There is course Carbonite and all the rest that will do incremental backups for you as you update as long as you have an internet connection. You could use Carbonite or another just to backup the backup server. For a couple workstations we have scheduled tasks that call a script that uses robocopy to send each new backup set to a cloud drive. That is a simple way to automate offsite backup set archiving.
Carbonite used to be reliable but they have slipped in the past year or two. They've become more expensive, less reliable, and their tech help and customer "service" has been moved offshore again and is pretty much useless now (I used to use Carbonite and saw how bad they had become, one of the reasons I dropped them). Backblaze has a much better reputation and costs less than Carbonite.

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