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Is this a good setup for backing up photos?

I'm a photographer and I have OCD and one of my strengths is preparing for the worst lol.

My rig has 4 HDDs for photos. I have a main that I work from, and 2 internal, and 1 external that I use Microsoft Synctoy to backup to every time I edit. I also have Amazon cloud drive monitor my folders that my RAW files are in and it automatically uploads all my new RAW files to Amazon.

I have about 500 GB worth of photos on my PC and I'm afraid that if I were to get one of those 1 TB backup internet solutions it would take a very long time to backup to their servers. But I know that you need an offsite backup. Is Amazon good enough?

What do you guys do for sensitive and important backups?

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Just buy a large capacity drive and a fire/waterproof safe or rent a safety deposit box at a local bank if you're really anal about losing it.

That's about the only two solutions I came to when I was looking for an off-site backup solution while having poo upload speeds.

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I jumped through the hoops looking for a good large capacity off site backup solution and settled on a 4tb drive in a safe deposit box. It's the best all around solution for a small/medium size business to keep sensitive and high value data backed up. Just make a habit or reminder to keep the drive up to date.


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I jumped through the hoops looking for a good large capacity off site backup solution and settled on a 4tb drive in a safe deposit box. It's the best all around solution for a small/medium size business to keep sensitive and high value data backed up. Just make a habit or reminder to keep the drive up to date.
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Just buy a large capacity drive and a fire/waterproof safe or rent a safety deposit box at a local bank if you're really anal about losing it.

That's about the only two solutions I came to when I was looking for an off-site backup solution while having poo upload speeds.
Yeah someone else said a safety deposit box and I thought he was joking. I guess you guys are pretty serious about that then. It's certainly something to think about.

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For data drive in my desktop computer (I have five), I have a set of four backup drives: two of each set are kept onsite in a drawer out of sight of the computer and the other two of each set are kept offsite in my safe deposit box at my credit union. I swap out the onsite backup drives with the offsite backup drives at least once a month.

To back up my data, I use FreeFileSync set to Mirror mode (not the same as RAID 1) to update each backup drive. This gives what are essentially clones of my data drives. All of my drives are SSDs so it goes pretty quickly. Since I update frequently, it takes even less time to update each backup and FreeFileSync makes the process even faster.

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For data drive in my desktop computer (I have five), I have a set of four backup drives: two of each set are kept onsite in a drawer out of sight of the computer and the other two of each set are kept offsite in my safe deposit box at my credit union. I swap out the onsite backup drives with the offsite backup drives at least once a month.

To back up my data, I use FreeFileSync set to Mirror mode (not the same as RAID 1) to update each backup drive. This gives what are essentially clones of my data drives. All of my drives are SSDs so it goes pretty quickly. Since I update frequently, it takes even less time to update each backup and FreeFileSync makes the process even faster.
I see. I use SyncToy because I only want to sync my photography and important home and work documents between the drives. I use the remaining space on the drives for games. I have about 750 GB of things backed up on all drives and I use 3 TB drives so I have a lot of free space. I have to run the backups manually which I don't like. I wish there were a way for them to automatically back up every time I added new files to the folders.

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Always go by the 3 rules of backup.

Have at least three independent copies of your data.
Store the copies on two different types of media.
Keep one backup copy offsite.

At the minimum, I would get a couple of external drives and weekly rotate the backups.
You can always leverage Google Gsuite as well.
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Currently sitting on 1TB of raws for various clients.

Local working dir on my PC of all raws/exports
Backup of that also locally on my PC nightly via rsync

Nightly rsync to my FreeNAS server, freenas syncs to one of my synologies.

I keep two 8TB external drives, one at home, one locked in my safe deposit box. I rsync my freenas to these and rotate them out every month or so when I go to the bank to deposit checks/etc.
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I see. I use SyncToy because I only want to sync my photography and important home and work documents between the drives. I use the remaining space on the drives for games. I have about 750 GB of things backed up on all drives and I use 3 TB drives so I have a lot of free space. I have to run the backups manually which I don't like. I wish there were a way for them to automatically back up every time I added new files to the folders.
Actually, you are better off running the backups manually instead of automatically. To be able to back up something automatically, the backup drive has to be kept powered up and connected to the computer at all times. This exposes the backups to infection from viruses and other malware. If you are set up correctly, it takes less than a handful of minutes to connect the backup drive and manually start the backup, then the computer will finish the job without any help from you. When done, just eject, power down, and remove the backup drive, also taking less than a handful of minutes.

I didn't mention any of this at the beginning since you only asked for what we did. While I do not trust Amazon (too many data leaks have occurred there; Backblaze has a much better reputation), you have a fairly solid backup plan in place already. SyncToy has a good reputation and pretty much does the same thing as FreeFileSync. The only things I would suggest is not to set up an automatic backup scheme (you pretty much already have that going with Amazon) and add an offsite backup drive to the onsite backup drive you already have.

While the Amazon backup can serve as your offsite backup, if you had a total loss (computer and onsite backup drive), such as from a fire or theft, it would take forever to download all your data. Having an offsite backup drive would allow you to recover most of your data quickly, then any data you had added or changed since you had last updated the offsite backup can be downloaded from Amazon, which will take far less time than downloading all of it.

I used to use Carbonite but it (and Backblaze) doesn't work with Linux and I plan on switching to Linux in the not too distance future. Also, Carbonite has taken their customer service and tech offshore again (and it plummeted in quality when they did that). I tried Crashplan Small Business Plan, which does work with Linux, but the service was slow and erratic, the GUI sucked, and their customer service and tech help was useless.

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Like Lady Fitzgerald touched on, being mindful of potential malware is important.

There is also something called "data rot" that I thought was a joke until my backed up photos started coming out unreadable by my OS. It's only a consideration for deep storage/long term storage on a drive that sits tucked away for years without being accessed AFAIK. Had I connected up the drive even once a year or so there would have been no issue at all. Just food for thought.


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