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post #11 of 45 (permalink) Old 10-15-2019, 09:39 AM
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What's a good [enough] cheapo drive for me to shuck. I need some extra storage for junk files actually. 2-4 tb will do

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Small drives aren't worth shucking.

external drives >2TB start at $69

internal drives >2TB, start at $31

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The Western Digital 10TB drives are great for shucking. They typically contain white label helium filled drives similar to a Red drive. The one thing to keep in mind is some use SATA revision 3.3 so if you are using an older PSU, you may need to block off the 3rd pin on the SATA connector for the drive to be detected.

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I have had or have every Segate Ironwolf Pro from the 8 TB all the way up to the 16 TB and i have never had a problem with any of them so if you are asking for any first hand experience i have a ton with the Ironwolf Pro

Also have a non pro Ironwolf 12 TB and a WD Ultrastar DC HC530 14 TB which i think is worse than the Ironwolf Pro´s and its way louder under heavy loads than any of the Ironwolf drives i have which is annoying because the sound besides being louder is way different so its very clear to hear the WD but maybe thats a nitpicking

Overall i would personally not buy a WD Red as i have had one fail on me and i would not buy a WD Ultrastar DC HC either as you cant see lifetime whites on it like you can with Seagate drive and as said there is the noise

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Quote: Originally Posted by shilka View Post
I have had or have every Segate Ironwolf Pro from the 8 TB all the way up to the 16 TB and i have never had a problem with any of them so if you are asking for any first hand experience i have a ton with the Ironwolf Pro

Also have a non pro Ironwolf 12 TB and a WD Ultrastar DC HC530 14 TB which i think is worse than the Ironwolf Pro´s and its way louder under heavy loads than any of the Ironwolf drives i have which is annoying because the sound besides being louder is way different so its very clear to hear the WD but maybe thats a nitpicking

Overall i would personally not buy a WD Red as i have had one fail on me and i would not buy a WD Ultrastar DC HC either as you cant see lifetime whites on it like you can with Seagate drive and as said there is the noise
Thank you. The non-pro Ironwolf is quite a bit cheaper than the Pro and WD Reds/Red Pros. Would you say that the Pro Ironwolf is significantly better than than the non-Pro?

Also, do you use them in a NAS? I plan on using them as regular storage drives in a non-NAS environment. What issues might I face due to the difference in TLER settings as opposed to a non-NAS drive?

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Thank you. The non-pro Ironwolf is quite a bit cheaper than the Pro and WD Reds/Red Pros. Would you say that the Pro Ironwolf is significantly better than than the non-Pro?

Also, do you use them in a NAS? I plan on using them as regular storage drives in a non-NAS environment. What issues might I face due to the difference in TLER settings as opposed to a non-NAS drive?
I only use the non pro for stuff that are not as important and it is a little bit slower and the warranty is only 3 years vs 5 years on the pro and there is no 2 year free data recovery service included with the non pro

As for use case i dont use them in a NAS i use them in a desktop PC i just prefer Ironwolf NAS drives over the desktop Barracuda drives because i think they are better
You can buy a non pro if you want but if your data is very important to you the pro are worth the extra

Edit: never had a problem with NAS drives in desktop sure they are not intended for that use case but there is no harm or any damage you can do by using NAS drives in a desktop

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and if OP doesn't want external the majority are easy to shuck.

also obligatory: why it gotta be black?
What you did there, i had to squint to see what you did there

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Another thing to add is unless you plan on buying a server farm or data center any data/number from Blackblaze is completely useless to consumers so forget about any data from them it does not represent a real world use case unless you own your own server farm or data center

Blackblaze are tools for using consumer grade drives in a heavy duty industrial environment and its a use case the drives where never built for

Their fail numbers are also completely unreliable because if a drive is drops out of a RAID array that count as a fail even if if there is nothing wrong with the drive and if they same drive dropped out 10 times thats 10 fails so as you can see the numbers are not useful to consumers

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Thank you for your inputs. If I want to use the same drives with the same data in a NAS later on,
1. Will the drives need to be formatted?
2. Will I need drives that are identical? If yes, how difficult might it be find the same make and model a few years later?

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3. How does the Exos X 14/16TB compare to the Ironwolf/Pro drives?

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The only thing i know about the Seagate Exos is they have a 2,5 million mean time before failure rating compared to the 1 million of the non pro Ironwolf and 1,2 million of the Ironwolf Pro
Only other difference that i know of is Exos drives are meant for use cases where you have more than 8-12 drives in a setup

In short i would call the non pro Ironwolf a consumer drive the Ironwolf Pro a prosumer drive and the Exos an enterprise grade drive

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