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SSD vs HDD w/Optane

Can someone explain why I should get a 4TB SSD vs a considerably cheaper and more durable 4TB HDD with Intel Optane memory card? It seems like that would save a lot of money for a gaming rig. I've had 4 SSDs go out in the last 5 years and I still have all my HDDs (some almost 20 years old) that are still kicking. I really don't want to shell out another $500 for a good 4TB SSD.

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If you play a lot of different games within a short period of time, it's unlikely they'll all fit on the Optane memory and you'll end up going to the hard drive for some of them and the result will be slow load times. If you like to focus on one game or a few app for a while, then I think the performance will be quite good. I don't own an Optane memory though so I'm only speculating.

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Quote: Originally Posted by briank View Post
If you play a lot of different games within a short period of time, it's unlikely they'll all fit on the Optane memory and you'll end up going to the hard drive for some of them and the result will be slow load times. If you like to focus on one game or a few app for a while, then I think the performance will be quite good. I don't own an Optane memory though so I'm only speculating.
Yeah, I don't understand at all, lol. I usually just focus on one game at a time but I use several programs. I have no idea what how it works or what it does other than reading a few reviews where they all claim the HDD/Optane combo has the same or better speed than SSDs. I was under the impression that adding https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Optane-.../dp/B06XSXX3NS to an existing HDD PC would boost speeds to SSD levels. Seems too good to be true and is why I was asking for an explanation. If increasing size of the memory card solves the issue of multiple tasks at once, still seems like a better and considerable cheaper route.

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I'd never opt for solely a HDD + Optane solution...ever


Get a decent SSD for your main drive then get a new hard drive. If you're using something from nearly 20 years ago, you're going to notice a major performance boost from just getting a newer drive.

If you've had 4 SSDs die in 5 years, you're likely buying really cheap poor quality SSDs.

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Optane memory acts like a cache. The nice thing about it is the Intel software automatically moves you most used apps/files onto the optane memory and moves lesser used stuff onto the hard drive.

I personally take the approach deafboy describes, but I can see how the automatic management could be nice for some people.

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Quote: Originally Posted by deafboy View Post
I'd never opt for solely a HDD + Optane solution...ever


Get a decent SSD for your main drive then get a new hard drive. If you're using something from nearly 20 years ago, you're going to notice a major performance boost from just getting a newer drive.

If you've had 4 SSDs die in 5 years, you're likely buying really cheap poor quality SSDs.

I still have my old original Intel x-25 SSD from it's initial release kicking around working just fine.
I'm not using them as they are old IDE drives, just saying they still work fine. In fact I've never had a HDD fail. The SSDs were all name brand 2 Samsung EVOs, One Crucial MX and the other was I believe SanDisk.

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I'd never opt for solely a HDD + Optane solution...ever
Can you elaborate more as to why? I understand that SSDs are better in overall performance but when I'm stepping into the large storage drives they are extremely more expensive. Let's say I want a 4TB main drive, what makes spending $500+ on a good SSD worth it over a $200 optane combo with the HDD? I just can't wrap my head around spending more than double if I'm going to get near the same speed.

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Quote: Originally Posted by briank View Post
Optane memory acts like a cache. The nice thing about it is the Intel software automatically moves you most used apps/files onto the optane memory and moves lesser used stuff onto the hard drive.

I personally take the approach deafboy describes, but I can see how the automatic management could be nice for some people.
How much will it store when playing a game with Chrome, a media player, and let say 2 or 3 other apps like autohotkey or similar in the background? Does it pull the entire game files ect into the cache, or just the parts it needs?
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How much will it store when playing a game with Chrome, a media player, and let say 2 or 3 other apps like autohotkey or similar in the background? Does it pull the entire game files ect into the cache, or just the parts it needs?
When data is initially written, it goes into the Optane cache. So initially it will be high performance. As soon as cache space needs to be cleared up, the least used data gets move to the hard disk. Games could have some elements put onto the hard disk while some elements remain on the Optane.

Read this article for a decent overview:
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I use one of my Optane 900p 280Gb as a cache drive+ PrimoCache. I use Level-2 Storage for my 3TB games drive... https://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/...l2storage.html free 30 Day Trial....

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An alternative recommendation: Primocache

https://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-cache/

This will allow you to use any SSD as a cache drive. You can also use RAM as part of the cache as well.

I currently have a dinky 120GB SSD and 16GB RAM for cache on my 12TB HDD RAID array, and it makes a big difference.



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