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post #1 of 52 (permalink) Old 12-14-2019, 04:04 PM - Thread Starter
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Sound like a dying ssd?

I bought my main 😄 drive back in January 2014, it's a Samsung 840 Pro 256gb.

It's worked fine for years. Over provisioned, RAPID mode enabled and ~20 TBW as of today. SMART reads good.

Last night In upgraded my Nvidia drivers and began to notice some bizarre behaviour whereby Windows was so slow and unresponsive to the point where it was unusable. For example, the entire system would hang for 10 seconds then there would be a second of activity where I could move the mouse, then it would hang again.

Safe mode appeared to work fine, but I then would get weird errors such as not being able to alter scheduled tasks etc...

I reinstalled windows assuming it had become corrupted and it installed fine. I install Samsung Magician, enable RAPID mode and after restart boom... Either black screen after login or horrible performance and unresponsive desktop.

Going back to safe mode is okay, but Samsung magician is giving me weird errors about RAPID mode files missing. I uninstalled it completely, performance is still awful when not in safe mode.

I ran chkdsk /f 😄 on boot and performance is back again, as if there was never an issue!!!

Can't figure out what's going on? I think it may be an old SSD somehow corrupting?

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I had problems similar to your problem where parts or the whole system would hang and then stop responding for a few seconds and after ruling every single other part out i found it was the PSU
Dont know how i can describe it other than for you to watch this video


If this the same thing that happens to you and what PSU do you have and how old is it?

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Quote: Originally Posted by shilka View Post
I had problems similar to your problem where parts or the whole system would hang and then stop responding for a few seconds and after ruling every single other part out i found it was the PSU
Dont know how i can describe it other than for you to watch this video


If this the same thing that happens to you and what PSU do you have and how old is it?
Hmm doesn't quite look the same. I can barely even get into Windows it's so extremely slow and unresponsive. Then, i run chkdsk /f and it's happy again!

My PSU is a Seasonic G series 650w, only a few years old. No other obvious signs of power issues.

Only thing I might check is RAM. I wonder if RAPID mode is finding it unstable.

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It sounds like your SSD might just be dying of old age

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You did you make sure the firmware is up to date?

If it works fine in safe mode, it leads me to believe it's a software issue in Windows. Try using the default M$ SATA controller drivers if you have Intel or AMD SATA drivers in use. Safe mode simply doesn't load a lot of 3rd party drivers.

Also, try installing linux onto the SSD or live booting linux and doing some disc performance tests on it.

Did you try doing a secure erase before re-installing windows? TRIM should be enabled too, but not having TRIM working usually takes a longer time to slow the disc down.

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You did you make sure the firmware is up to date?

If it works fine in safe mode, it leads me to believe it's a software issue in Windows. Try using the default M$ SATA controller drivers if you have Intel or AMD SATA drivers in use. Safe mode simply doesn't load a lot of 3rd party drivers.

Also, try installing linux onto the SSD or live booting linux and doing some disc performance tests on it.

Did you try doing a secure erase before re-installing windows? TRIM should be enabled too, but not having TRIM working usually takes a longer time to slow the disc down.
Yeah firmware has been up to date for years. My process after reinstall was to download the AMD chipset drivers first thing, before connecting to the internet..

I'm not sure it's software/driver related any more due to the apparent random nature of the issue. And whilst it did work in safe mode (i didn't see the performance issues), I saw quite a few weird and random errors related (e.g. I tried to set MSI Afterburner not to start at boot and I got a strange windows error about not being able to alter scheduled tasks list etc).

I find it hard to describe the problem since I've seen so many weird errors and nonsensical behaviour!

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If you've got another system, put it in there and run a new install for a while and see if anything pops up. The PSU sounds strange but not too strange. I had similar issues like yours and tried all other methods until one Saturday morning my PC powered up and then died. And I've always relied on Jonny's deep dives when picking out PSUs. I still can't figure that one out. My memory is hazy but I don't recall the 840s being particularly strong in something or was that the 850? In any case, if you're not reliant on MLC, you can grab a 1 TB Evo right now for $106 or $100 for the MX500. Which is an absolute steal these days.

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In Windows 10, AMD says not to use their SATA drivers at all - need to roll back to MS' built in SATA drivers.

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-250

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In Windows 10, AMD says not to use their SATA drivers at all - need to roll back to MS' built in SATA drivers.

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-250
Hmm good to know.

I think I've done it right though. I've not forced anything. I installed the chipset package which according to AMD will not install SATA drivers:

The AMD SATA controller component is not compatible with and will not be offered nor installed by the chipset driver package on AMD desktop systems running Window®️ 10 or using AMD Socket AM4 and Socket TR4 chipsets.

Also, I have done no other operation differently to when the computer was working before... So a little confused!

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Hmm good to know.

I think I've done it right though. I've not forced anything. I installed the chipset package which according to AMD will not install SATA drivers:

The AMD SATA controller component is not compatible with and will not be offered nor installed by the chipset driver package on AMD desktop systems running Window®️ 10 or using AMD Socket AM4 and Socket TR4 chipsets.

Also, I have done no other operation differently to when the computer was working before... So a little confused!
Well, I think the AMD SATA drivers will work, they just might be buggy.

Go into the device manager and view resources by connection and see what SATA controller your drive is attached to and what driver that SATA controller is using.

There is an AMD SATA controller, but your drives will connect x470 SATA link and use the MS driver... I don't really know what that other AMD SATA controller does... SATA over M.2 maybe.
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