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Can't trust AMD anymore, they were given tons of money with their lawsuits against Intel and where all that money go?


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Jeeze, can we at least wait until the 3D transistors are closer to release before we assume that they make as huge of an impact as Intel says they will?

I feel like future predictions are taken as gospel on this forum...

Hell, look what people have done to Bulldozer predictions.
Look at what people did with Sandy Bridge predictions... oh, wait...

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Back on subject, maybe AMD is waiting till the process is mature and not rush into it?
AMD isn't going to use Intel's fab. It does not matter if Intel matures the technology as it has no impact on AMD's R&D.


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It could be cost-related
Not exactly.... AMD has always been behind Intel in fabs. Sure, AMD could catch up but do you have a $20-30B to spare? Oh, and a time machine as well.

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Jeeze, can we at least wait until the 3D transistors are closer to release before we assume that they make as huge of an impact as Intel says they will?
Of course, nonplanar transistors will make a big impact. It is the biggest thing in production chip technology in quite a few years.

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Can't trust AMD anymore, they were given tons of money with their lawsuits against Intel and where all that money go?
Pay off their debt? The money from the lawsuit was to make up for losses.

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He means they were true.
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Of course, nonplanar transistors will make a big impact. It is the biggest thing in production chip technology in quite a few years.
Just because something is the biggest thing in a few years, doesn't necessarily mean it will be an immediate game-changer, or a game changer at all. (ie. Electric car... Died before it ever really took off... Speaking of which, I'm not sure why companies are trying that again...) I think future R&D needs to go into graphene chips, not towering silicon.

I think it's a brilliant idea and great progression, but all that this is right now are claims. We don't have any evidence that it will actually run 30-some-odd% cooler in practice other than nifty 3D marketing copy.

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He means they were true.
Ah, yes. Well the core series of chips have been great performers since the first Core2Duo. I'm still stunned how well my E4300 overclocked. I feel that Sandy Bridge was an anomaly in that predictions were almost dead on.

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Globalfoundry's and other semiconductor companies are working on the same thing. Samsung is working on 3D transistors too. Intel has BILLIONS to spend on research, so its no surprise that they are out with it first.

These transistors will first appear in ultra portable devices, like smartphones, and tablets. I really don't think they are going to be in Ivy Bridge. I may be wrong though.

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Just because something is the biggest thing in a few years, doesn't necessarily mean it will be an immediate game-changer, or a game changer at all.

I think future R&D needs to go into graphene chips, not towering silicon.
It's not a game changer. It is just another jump in the march for smaller processes. It is like getting a two die shrinks in one generation! It is the evolutionary progression of chip fabrication. Intel can improve on both process size and eventually more levels of transistors.

R&D is going into graphene.... but that is still in basic development. It will take billions more and at least another decade before mass production of graphene chips. We cannot make the raw graphene as nearly as cheaply silicon.

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I thought everyone knows they've been working on the same type of technology but they haven't figured it out yet.

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Globalfoundry's and other semiconductor companies are working on the same thing. Samsung is working on 3D transistors too. Intel has BILLIONS to spend on research, so its no surprise that they are out with it first.

These transistors will first appear in ultra portable devices, like smartphones, and tablets. I really don't think they are going to be in Ivy Bridge. I may be wrong though.

They claim they already have working chips. So ya, I think Ivy Bridge will use it.
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Can't trust AMD anymore, they were given tons of money with their lawsuits against Intel and where all that money go?
To pay off their massive debt?

Seriously, don't construct half-baked reasons to distrust a company.


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