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Haven't read the entire thread, but is the 40% IPC improvement indeed based upon using Excavator/Carrizo as the reference point? If so, I do believe that Zen will be neck and neck with Haswell, which could be acceptable; depends on what Skylake actually delivers in reality. Even if Zen is right there with Haswell, agree 100% that it seems AMD will have to count on the value/more cores card once more to steal sales away from Intel. Looks to be a rerun of the PII vs. Penryn days.

40% uplift compared to Excavator indeed.
Excavator mostly boosts power efficiency over Steamroller not much more.
The expected average difference in IPC over Piledriver is just 10% on average.

With frequency capabilities similar to Piledriver it would be exceptional, however Zen will most likely operate at clocks similar to AMD Llano or early Ridgeback steppings (up to 3.5GHz).
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40% uplift compared to Excavator indeed.
Excavator mostly boosts power efficiency over Steamroller not much more.
The expected average difference in IPC over Piledriver is just 10% on average.

With frequency capabilities similar to Piledriver it would be exceptional, however Zen will most likely operate at clocks similar to AMD Llano or early Ridgeback steppings (up to 3.5GHz).

This is still a huge step in the right direction as I was hoping for in earlier Zen threads. AMD really doesn't have to BEAT top enthusiast i7, they just need a reasonable competitor to get back in the game. Phenoms were blown away by Nehalem chips, but they were comparably "fast enough" and an AM3 board coupled with a 955-965BE was vastly cheaper. If they can repeat that, gain a market share, and invest the proceeds accordingly, they can strengthen their position against Intel over time and give us what we've all been hoping for on both sides: A performance war.

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40% IPC from AMD slide could mean ~20% in real world. AMD often use best case scenario or cherrypicked benchmarks to show off the strength of their CPU


Honestly, At this point even ~20% would be nice.


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From the slides one can more or less tell with certainty that the new desktop GPUs for 2015 won't have any new performance per watt improvements besides the transition from GDDR5 to HBM. That isn't too reassuring.

On the CPU side are they targeting IB class performance? How much more IPC does Excavator have versus Piledriver?

Versus Piledriver? Something like 15% from what I have seen around. Dont forget Piledriver is 2 gens behind Ex because Steamroller was in between and upped the IPC there too. Ex ups it a tiny bit more but also drastically lowers power draw. But yes, It looks like the Zen cores will be right about Ivy level IPC. Which isnt TOO bad for a new core and from where AMD currently is. With node and arch refinement in the 2nd gen Zen we could see somewhere between Haswell and Skylake I bet. I just really hope they get that 14nm node clocking into the mid 4Ghz though that seems unlikely.

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1. AMD A10-8700P with AMD Radeon™ R6 graphics, 2x4GB DDR3-1600, 256 SSD, Windows 8.1 64bit, Catalyst 15.10 beta scored 1100
in 3dmark Firestrike. Intel Core i5 5200u, 2x4GB DDR3-1600, 256 SSD, Windows 8.1 64bit, Driver 4170 scored 780 in 3dmark
Firestrike. The result is 41% faster performance from AMD.

2. Performance projections developed by AMD Engineering for optimized AMD reference systems. PC manufacturers may vary
configuration yielding different results. The 2015 AMD "Carrizo" performance platform projects 11.2 hours battery life running HD
1080p Local Video Playback while the 2014 "Kaveri" performance platform battery life under the same workload is projected to last
5.3 hours. Projections subject to change. CZN-12

3. Testing by AMD Performance labs using reference platforms based on an AMD 6th generation Processor featuring an AMD FX-8800P
platform, 2x4GB DDR3-1600, 256GB SSD, Windows 8.1, Driver 15.100 lasting 10.2 hrs The comparison system consisted of an AMD
FX 7600P with 2x4GB DDR3-1600, 256GB SSD, Windows 8.1, 14.200.1004 drivers. Jan 15, 2015 lasting 7.1 hrs. Testing done with a
50 kw/hr battery with Varibright mode set to aggressive, and airplane mode enabled, with MobileMark12
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im really kind of excited to see how AMD will do, i really hope its not a flop

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I have lost hope on AMD on the CPU side. They are doing well on the low end on price/performance only because they have no choice. Expecting AMD to release a good chip is not going to happen. When I mean good, I dont mean super high end like an i7 but something that is like an 8350 with a better IPC (even if it had 6 cores) and lower temps (temps dont matter to be honest but for the performance is shouldnt be that high for this day and age).

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All these lackluster skylake leaks + Zen hype makes me wanna wait till next year to upgrade..... but Q3 2016 is sooo far away even with no delays.

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This is still a huge step in the right direction as I was hoping for in earlier Zen threads. AMD really doesn't have to BEAT top enthusiast i7, they just need a reasonable competitor to get back in the game. Phenoms were blown away by Nehalem chips, but they were comparably "fast enough" and an AM3 board coupled with a 955-965BE was vastly cheaper. If they can repeat that, gain a market share, and invest the proceeds accordingly, they can strengthen their position against Intel over time and give us what we've all been hoping for on both sides: A performance war.

Let´s say Zen has 25% penalty in frequency capabilities compared to Piledriver.
25% is actually rather conservative as Zen must have at least 30% lower BMP and L2 latency compared to 15h designs (Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller and Excavator).

Like said before I would expect Zen to max out at 3.5GHz range.
This would mean it would be equivalent to 5.2GHz Piledriver with significantly lower power figures (roughly half).

If thats the case the core count must be huge if AMD wants to get out of the "niche" category and become a company to be taken seriously once more.
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