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But that is a problem, 2x performance per watt as the slides suggest for 2016 means that they are relying exclusively on the process shrink, meaning that next year's GCN will be a die shrink of this year's + more cores. Which will mean that they are going to keep being behind Nvidia. Not to mention that Nvidia will have Pascal sometime next year. They did they say anything that isn't on the slides that may go against what I understood from the situation?

PPW isn't everything, is what you're overlooking. If Nvidia's flagship is 200w TPD and AMD's is 300w TDP but AMD is only 15% behind in PPW they still win in raw performance, and when it comes to flagships, as Nvidia has proven, the only thing that matters is being at the top of the charts.

Basically AMD and Nvidia aren't going to pricematch their cards based upon their power usage, they're competing by the frames, stability, and features. PPW is important in a lot of EU markets but those markets are also small in comparison to the U.S. and Asia, where electricity is so cheap the only concern is if you have to replace your PSU to get the performance you want.

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But that is a problem, 2x performance per watt as the slides suggest for 2016 means that they are relying exclusively on the process shrink, meaning that next year's GCN will be a die shrink of this year's + more cores. Which will mean that they are going to keep being behind Nvidia. Not to mention that Nvidia will have Pascal sometime next year. Did they say anything that isn't on the slides that may go against what I understood from the situation?
They have to have been doing something besides HBM during the last couple of years. Bulldozer it at least a documented screw up but sitting on their asses for three and a half years simply sounds idiotic.

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Good point, although Lisa did say earlier on in the presentation that they're planning on pivoting away from the low end a bit. Maybe they view it as an acceptable cost tradeoff.
That could be a good idea. Improvement in brand image could already probably make up the loss in sales in addition to the upgradeability being a nice bonus if they keep the socket for 2 years or so.
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PPW isn't everything, is what you're overlooking. If Nvidia's flagship is 200w TPD and AMD's is 300w TDP but AMD is only 15% behind in PPW they still win in raw performance, and when it comes to flagships, as Nvidia has proven, the only thing that matters is being at the top of the charts.

Basically AMD and Nvidia aren't going to pricematch their cards based upon their power usage, they're competing by the frames, stability, and features. PPW is important in a lot of EU markets but those markets are also small in comparison to the U.S. and Asia, where electricity is so cheap the only concern is if you have to replace your PSU to get the performance you want.
Not everyone here cares either, since the electricity is off your heating bill for the seven-eight months of the year when probably 95% of computer usage at home happens.
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PPW isn't everything, is what you're overlooking. If Nvidia's flagship is 200w TPD and AMD's is 300w TDP but AMD is only 15% behind in PPW they still win in raw performance, and when it comes to flagships, as Nvidia has proven, the only thing that matters is being at the top of the charts.

Basically AMD and Nvidia aren't going to pricematch their cards based upon their power usage, they're competing by the frames, stability, and features. PPW is important in a lot of EU markets but those markets are also small in comparison to the U.S. and Asia, where electricity is so cheap the only concern is if you have to replace your PSU to get the performance you want.

That's manageable like it was this year, but what happens when Pascal is released next year?

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That's manageable like it was this year, but what happens when Pascal is released next year?

Id quite expect a leap frog TBH, same thing that it has been for years

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That's manageable like it was this year, but what happens when Pascal is released next year?

Same as when Maxwell (900 series) was launched this year maybe? Price drop the cards while waiting until 2H 2017 for Arctic Islands.

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Also @raghu78 where's my HBM across the entire lineup (mobile GPUs) and skylake-e matching (8core vs. 8core) Zen CPUs? tongue.gif

I did not say HBM at all price points. I said specifically two chips with HBM -
ultra high end (R9 390X) and
high end (R9 380X) with the same chip being used as flagship mobile GPU

Anyway Lisa Su said the GPU product launches will happen in the next 4 - 6 weeks. So Jun 1 (Computex) and Jun 16th (PC E3 Gaming event) are the likely times and places of launch. So not long before we find out. Anyway not enough info to prove anything yet. So hold your horses. rolleyes.gif

As for Skylake-E (8 core) vs Zen FX (8 score) I think beating Intel is going to be out of the picture. With 40% higher IPC over Excavator AMD may get around Haswell or best case Broadwell. But Skylake will be untouchable for IPC and max frequency (given Intel's superior 14nm process against Samsung/GF 14nm) . AMD can though look to be competitive. If AMD brings FX 8 core to USD 500 that would benefit even the hardcore Intel loyalists like yourself who now have to pay USD 1000 for the 5960x. tongue.gif

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