Originally Posted by Ghoxt
I hear you and even understand where you are coming from. Except at the same time, many of us own and actively use both AMD and Nvidia hardware and feel compelled obviously to let our opinions be heard regarding any discreet GPU matter as we see fit. And no, you didn't say otherwise, just pointing it out.
What are we labelled? Do we even guess or know the percentage of us that have and still use both in our household? Steam won't help with that lol.
My opinion is that just as this was overblown like you said for something that likely would have affected a small percentage of RX480 owners and possibly near any normal failure rate. Fact is we won't know now of course as we don't have a time machine to test both scenarios, with the new adjusted Bios and without it.
Interspersed in many of the comments are even purely Nvidia owners that wholesale recognize this as overhyped obviously and is just one leg of the perception of the bad AMD PR/marketing table. It's not the end of the world of course.All that said:
This was not something AMD is ignorant about. Knowing
the expected testing that reviewers are going to perform. Knowing
the Internet "Reaction" to any perceived problem in today's market, and finally Knowing
the performance / electrical envelope of their own product, I'm more shocked that AMD did not see this coming.
A very harsh "opinion" might see it as doing a disservice to their loyal customers allowing this to occur in the first place as they are not uninformed little 15 year olds. No different than the 970 crap NVidia pulled, they are paid professional GPU engineers and Architects so moreso from that fact some might not feel they deserve a pass in this debacle.
But then again, should we hold any of our GPU Overlord Masters to a higher standard? A slave wonders...
A major issue here is the fact that brand loyalty has such a profound impact on the outcome of such issues. I don't think anyone here can deny that nvidia owners have a much larger install base then AMD. Sale and profit numbers as well as ownership numbers make that very obvious.
Because of this, any issue that arises will be treated completely different depending on the product developer.
I think it is fair to compare csgo users to GPU fanboys, at least from a vocal standpoint. Like almost anything, the louder crowd will always win the shouting match irregardless of the actual information.
We can even look at the 970 vram issue as a great indication of this. On this very website, we had threads ranging in the thousands of posts with proclamations of defense and offense against nvidia. What became of that? Nothing, literally nothing at all. We heard some lame reasons from nvidia and reviewers all but forgot and forgave then for the 3.5 GB of vram.
But God forbid amd has what...a ******* pcie overdraw(which every GPU in the mid-high range has done for years and years) and the sky starts to fall and amd is forced to release a driver that appeases these people by doing things those same users don't even understand.
It's very frustrating especially from someone who uses both amd and nvidia. The last thing any consumer needs is internal warfare among customers in a oligopoly segment. Yes, let's bash one of two companies still making competitive GPU products because you like the color/name/popular vote. It's so sad to see what this has all turned into.
I can only wish that nvidia becomes the sole supplier of dgpu's so that everyone must pay $500 for a 1360 in year 2020 so I get to have my 1380tis at $2000 a pop all to myself.
It's just so ridiculous, like what is there to gain from bashing one company or another over things so overblown?
I have no problem with calling out real, factual, informative problems when needs be. But the idea that crowd ideology has become the end all be all of information is just sad....really sad.
I'd like to hear from just one person, ONE, who has posted in this or the other 480 pcie thread that has actually encountered and blown pcie slot.
To the point of amd having to know their product would face pcie banter. Almost all gpus' exceeded the 75w limit whether in constant overdraw or sharp peaks. This is nothing new. There is nothing special that makes the 480 draw some exceedingly exuberant amount of current through the pcie. The only only reason this has become visible is through some really clever (and I mean that, clever) proclamations of motherboards being destroyed using the 480. None of which have been confirmed by any outside source other then the posters themselves.
I highly doubt amd just sat around and tested the 480 only only one mobo or didn't test it on an outright diagnostic rig that tells them every power draw of every pin (yes, every pin) that connects to their card. There is something fundamentally wrong with the assertions many people are making about this card. Hell. I'll put my money where my mouth is and buy $1000 worth of 480s and testing equipment just to prove otherwise.