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post #31 of 52 (permalink) Old 07-08-2016, 10:18 PM
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That card might be crippled by the 6700hq and 2133

Wont be at all.

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http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=2586&cmp%5B%5D=2448

Intel Core i7-6700HQ @ 2.60GHz Intel Core i7-4720HQ @ 2.60GHz

6700 slower than cpu from 2014. on my lenovo y50-70 16gb ram, 512gb ssd, nvidia 960 4gb memo. cost me cca 1300usd from lenovo website in ireland. i woz catch super offer limited for few days in 2015:p:D
soo we can crearly see intel brake all as he now. good:mad: power cpus is more and more expensive compare in ...

and try now set up similar laptop on lenovo site, noo chance mad.gif they cut us like sheep:mad: thats way in lucky with my buy in 2015 spring:) forget notebook with nvidia 1060M under 1500eu

Its not slower.

I have a Gigabyte P35 v3 with the i7-4710HQ and a Gigabyte P37 v5 with the i7-6700HQ.

The i7-6700HQ is at least 10% faster.

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That's insane. We now have better than Titan X in a laptop...

Gaming laptops in the last year or so have really become very powerful. Just imagine a 1000$ priced laptop with a GTX 1060 and around GTX 980 performance...

Still more expensive than a comparable desktop, but the main advantage is still there: you can carry it around wherever you go.

I'd agree with you, but there's more than just rote performance which makes laptops less than ideal for gaming compared to PCs.

Having a good monitor is one thing, but also stuff like a good keyboard and mouse. in other words, in terms of ergonomics (and price), desktops just outright win

mobility is certainly a big thing but i guess we can't have everything either

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post #34 of 52 (permalink) Old 07-09-2016, 05:33 AM
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http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=2586&cmp%5B%5D=2448

Intel Core i7-6700HQ @ 2.60GHz Intel Core i7-4720HQ @ 2.60GHz

6700 slower than cpu from 2014.

Yeah... No.

Look at notebookcheck, the 6700HQ is faster on every benchmark. (Ignore the graphics benchmarks as those depend on the GPU used, obviously.)
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-6700HQ-Notebook-Processor.149420.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-4720HQ-Notebook-Processor.132361.0.html
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I'd agree with you, but there's more than just rote performance which makes laptops less than ideal for gaming compared to PCs.

Having a good monitor is one thing, but also stuff like a good keyboard and mouse. in other words, in terms of ergonomics (and price), desktops just outright win

mobility is certainly a big thing but i guess we can't have everything either

A laptop you can always connect to an external monitor / mouse / keyboard, and when done gaming at home, you can take it with you and play someplace else.
A desktop, you can't.


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http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=2586&cmp%5B%5D=2448

Intel Core i7-6700HQ @ 2.60GHz Intel Core i7-4720HQ @ 2.60GHz

6700 slower than cpu from 2014.

Yeah... No.

Look at notebookcheck, the 6700HQ is faster on every benchmark. (Ignore the graphics benchmarks as those depend on the GPU used, obviously.)
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-6700HQ-Notebook-Processor.149420.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-4720HQ-Notebook-Processor.132361.0.html

6700HQ - "3DMark (2013) - Fire Strike Standard Physics 1920x1080 min: 5271 avg: 9556 (58%) median: 9702 (59%) max: 9917 Points

My 4710HQ 2.5-3.7GHz/980m: Score 9106, Graphics Score 10754, Physics Score 9889, Combined Score 4015
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8872363

An i5 6600k @ 4.2GHz/GTX 970 ~stock: Score 9056, Graphics Score 10 711, Physics Score 9 467, Combined Score 4 074
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/5761625


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6700HQ Passmark: 8042

My Passmark: 9580



6700HQ: Super Pi mod 1.5 XS 1M - min: 10.561 avg: 11 (2%) median: 10.9 (2%) max: 12.808 Seconds
6700HQ: Super Pi Mod 1.5 XS 32M - min: 544.682 avg: 571.9 (3%) median: 564.3 (3%) max: 627.567 Seconds

My 4710HQ:
Super Pi Mod 1.5 XS 1M - 9.89
Super Pi Mod 1.5 XS 32M - 539.731



What does all this mean?

1: You can't believe everything you see on the internet.
2: Tweaking the OS to practically the bare minimum and restrictions on what programs use which cores yields results.
3: An i5 6400-6600k/1070-or-whatever-AMD-alternative is going to be the generic gaming PC until Volta, so I see no reason why a mobile i7/1070 isn't more or less equivalent.
4: I can't think of a reason why we are concerning ourselves about CPU power going into a low-overhead API future. Honestly, you'll probably have to lower settings due to the GPU over and over again long before you run into major issues on the CPU side.

Can anyone explain to me why MSI needs our laptops back on top of the wholesale price they're already more or less recouping from us with their GT72(s)/GT80(s) trade in program? MSI isn't a company you can trust!
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My 4710HQ 2.5-3.7GHz/980m: Score 9106, Graphics Score 10754, Physics Score 9889, Combined Score 4015

You're lucky your 4710 can even get to 3.7. Most temp/tdp/current throttle well before that on anything intensive. When I had a 4720hq I could barely keep it at 3.4 even with oc tweaking. Made me realise I made a mistake getting a locked 'hq' model over mq or k.

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People are still going on about this 60 Hz vs whatever stuff? lol

I'd like to see a guy show up with a 60 Hz IPS panel at a quake tourney and play against the guys with 160 Hz CRT's. He would get utterly destroyed. I can't even use 60 Hz monitors non-desktop anymore, makes baby jesus cry.
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You're lucky your 4710 can even get to 3.7. Most temp/tdp/current throttle well before that on anything intensive. When I had a 4720hq I could barely keep it at 3.4 even with oc tweaking. Made me realise I made a mistake getting a locked 'hq' model over mq or k.

My 4710HQ can holds about 3.2GHz-3.3GHz tops.
Also AFAIK both the HQ and MQ are the same, except that the MQ is a socket processor that you can replace.
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Do you believe 980m laptops get a significant price cut when these machines come out?

Yeah, it happened with 8xx series laptops when the 9xx series was released.

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My 4710HQ can holds about 3.2GHz-3.3GHz tops.
Also AFAIK both the HQ and MQ are the same, except that the MQ is a socket processor that you can replace.
Yeah, it happened with 8xx series laptops when the 9xx series was released.

Good to know. If I can grab a 980m laptop for 1000 bucks or around that price I will be very happy as I believe a 980m laptop will be pretty good for 1080p 60fps gaming.

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