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post #111 of 374 (permalink) Old 03-12-2017, 11:16 AM
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I was under the impression 1T Command Rates were more aggressive than 2T. At least, whenever I would run memtest86+ and set a 1T command rate I always saw noticeable increases in memory transfer rates in MB/sec.
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I was under the impression 1T Command Rates were more aggressive than 2T. At least, whenever I would run memtest86+ and set a 1T command rate I always saw noticeable increases in memory transfer rates in MB/sec.

On my FX system 1T wouldn't even boot sometimes. But when it did transfer rates were a lot higher .
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I've been watching the Ryzen release with a lot of interest, and after reading reviews and watching videos, here's what I've taken away from it all.

1 - in raw single core performance, Intel still have the crown, but at a premium.
2 - In multi-core performance, the waters are more muddy - intel still hold raw performance overall, but at a premium. Ryzen is best in the "bang-for-buck" dept., by a country mile.
3 - Ryzen has enough performance to be more than capable in gaming, even if it doesnt take the crown.
4 - Ryzen takes the crown in "performance-per-dollar", especially in situations that favour multi-core loads.

Personally, I think it is good that AMD are now nipping at Intel's heels, and shaking up the market a bit. I think for poorer folk like me, Ryzen gives a good entry level if you don't have money to burn in the top notch intel performance. I expect a few niggles, some have shown up already, but I think as it all matures over the next few months, you''ll be splitting hairs between the performance of both camps.
I expect Intel will have to drop prices on their top tier CPUs to stay competitive. And it may be possible for Ryzen's performance to increase as the whole platform is tweaked over time, which makes it more interesting. That can only be good for all of us, no matter what side of the fanboy-fence you're on.

I am not sure we read about things.

Actually I did, and Ryzen and Intel chips trade blows. There's a lot of variables involved. If you run them clock for clock, Intel can win, depending on the test. If you run them stock, Ryzen can win in certain tests. But I think when it gets to overclocking, its more interesting, because, as it stands, I'd wager that an overclocked Intel part would beat Ryzen in most tests, especially if you take memory overclocking into account, where Ryzen seems to have a weakness. I'm not saying that won't change, I think we'll see some impressive things as Ryzen matures, and software to support it does too. I'm just stating that it's how it all looks at this point in time. If I had money to upgrade, Ryzen would be my choice hands down, because it seems to be best bang-for-buck. For non-gaming loads, Ryzen is an excellent choice - if it's run stock. I think it narrows if you take overclocking into account, and don't care about costs. But I do still think even in multicore tests, the waters are muddy, depending on whether you take overclocking, cost, and/or power draw into account.

I'm well pleased AMD are back in the game, and lit a bit of a fire under intel's arse, who have become complacent in regards of development.
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On my FX system 1T wouldn't even boot sometimes. But when it did transfer rates were a lot higher .

RAM with 1T had always been faster on my 1055T and FX 8350. 1T/2T has not to do with CPU I think, some memories are okay handling 1T while others are not. I also never had any problem with 1T. I was using TridentX F3-2400CL10-1.65v (4 x 8Gbits IC per module).

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But kaby lake overclock better. So, clock for clock comparison is pointless

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But kaby lake overclock better. So, clock for clock comparison is pointless

Why? Trying to measure IPC (gaming performance clock per clock) is bad idea?
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Pretty cool comparison, Ryzen is a strong architecture.
It's inability to exceed much past 4.0GHz will not be popular among gamers/enthusiasts though as we all know you get good gains just jumping up 200MHz/400MHz, and huge gains from 600MHz-1000MHz.
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Why? Trying to measure IPC (gaming performance clock per clock) is bad idea?

Pretty much the only things that matter is stock vs stock and overclocked vs overclocked. Stock v stock, it's pretty close. Overclocked v overclocked, Intel stomps Ryzen in gaming.

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So you are saying that everyone who wants a product buys it in the first week?

 

No, not at all.

 

I'm saying that if you read the reviews and wanted to buy a Ryzen, you went and bought one (like most of us did). You won't be hanging around for a few weeks. If you didn't buy one it's because you weren't certain, but those of us who were optimistic with the leaks, when the reviews confirmed our thoughts we just went and ordered one.



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Pretty much the only things that matter is stock vs stock and overclocked vs overclocked. Stock v stock, it's pretty close. Overclocked v overclocked, Intel stomps Ryzen in gaming.

Does it? I mean they also include price and power.
Keep in mind that R5 1500X might cost under 200$...
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