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post #61 of 374 (permalink) Old 03-11-2017, 10:52 PM
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For the love of god, will you stop treating cpus as black boxes, that have only "number of coars"? They have difference cache sizes, they have different I/O technologies, and those secondary attributes manifest entirely differently between $300 and $800 products, creating a situation that equal number of cores with small performance differences may mean nothing conclusive about the technology of an actually cheaper model that would have different secondary attributes. This article is not news, it has nothing to do with news, and it should not be in this sub-forum.
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Yes.. please tell us about this Ryzen CPU. You know... the one that is half the price of the i7 6900k but comes within 5-10% of it in pretty much all tasks.
Funny how since Ryzen has released, the only Intel chip that get's mentioned is the 7700K. It's like the 6/8 core Intel chips just ceased to exist.

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It looks like AM4 in that cpu-z is using 1T vs 2T

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The value argument only matters for equivalent performance. If it is all about value, no one would by any GPU over $200 because they have much worse $-performance ratios.

Just because some people buy them doesn't mean they control the brand. What CPUs control it? I bet it is business and Mainstream, and we are the minority

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Funny how since Ryzen has released, the only Intel chip that get's mentioned is the 7700K. It's like the 6/8 core Intel chips just ceased to exist.

That's because Ryzen has Broadwell-E solidly beat in performance/$ in multimedia and workstation type work, Broadwell-E only makes sense if you want absolute best workstation performance or need the PCI-E lanes. Gaming is where things get muddy, and the price competitors are the 1700 and 1700x against the 7700k. When the 6 and 4 core Ryzens are released, they will be pitted against i5s and i3s.
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Just because some people buy them doesn't mean they control the brand. What CPUs control it? I bet it is business and Mainstream, and we are the minority

Your post makes no sense whatsoever.

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It looks like AM4 in that cpu-z is using 1T vs 2T

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Funny how since Ryzen has released, the only Intel chip that get's mentioned is the 7700K. It's like the 6/8 core Intel chips just ceased to exist.

That's because Ryzen has Broadwell-E solidly beat in performance/$ in multimedia and workstation type work, Broadwell-E only makes sense if you want absolute best workstation performance or need the PCI-E lanes. Gaming is where things get muddy, and the price competitors are the 1700 and 1700x against the 7700k. When the 6 and 4 core Ryzens are released, they will be pitted against i5s and i3s.
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Just because some people buy them doesn't mean they control the brand. What CPUs control it? I bet it is business and Mainstream, and we are the minority

Your post makes no sense whatsoever.

Gaming is about the only point of contention where there is any possible point to be made, but honestly for the 99 % of people who game on 60 hz monitors... it would be just plain silly to go with the 7700 K for the same money. Regardless if the 7700k had an advantage in gaming or not - you'd never see it. But if you want to stream, encode etc... you'd certainly see the difference there.
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I think his point is that the 7700k @ 5ghz vs Ryzen @ 4ghz is a significant amount ahead in single threaded tasks and therefore for suited for majority of games right now, assuming you need a very high max fps which is a small % of people. I fall into that % though so i traded in my 1700 for the 7700k, but will be keeping watch for Zen+.

Your monitor is 1440p and 165Hz and you have a single 980Ti. You're not going to be pushing that monitor's refresh rate regardless of what CPU you have. The 1700 is actually fairly competitive with the i7's at 1440p anyway. Your best investment would be in a stronger GPU but even a 1080Ti would likely struggle to push 165 FPS at 1440p, unless you got two.


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Your monitor is 1440p and 165Hz and you have a single 980Ti. You're not going to be pushing that monitor's refresh rate regardless of what CPU you have. The 1700 is actually fairly competitive with the i7's at 1440p anyway. Your best investment would be in a stronger GPU but even a 1080Ti would likely struggle to push 165 FPS at 1440p, unless you got two.

My sig rig is a bit out of date, im on a zotac amp extreme 1080 and now this 7700k @ 4.8ghz until i can get some better cooling for it and delid. I can average over 250 fps in overwatch with this setup at 1080p with certain settings on low/off for competitive reasons pertaining to visibility and input lag. I'm still very much cpu bound because the gpu usage doesn't ever peak 99%. I haven't done testing at 1440p to see what sort of fps i can get but i reckon 200+ average. It doesn't matter though being on 1440p 165hz i just currently cap myself to 160fps with gsync. The idea was to do some testing with this system to see how i would fair with 240hz and i concluded that i can indeed lock in 235fps w/gsync. Something i was unfortunately unable to do with the 1700. To be fair the R7 did get above 200 fps but it couldn't maintain and would swing down to as low as the 150s so it just wouldn't do for trying to get the benefits of a 240hz display.

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In perfect case yes but looking at those benchmarks Zen has IVY-Haswell IPC like. Thats 2012 CPU performance.
I really love this because of how obvious the attempt is to make Ryzen seem dated. Oh my goodness 2012? I couldn't possibly buy something with performance from that era. Let me purchase something relevant to 2017 with its 5% IPC improvement from that 2012 CPU.

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For comparison's sake, your 2700k gets about 145 single core in cinebench r15 at 4.5 ghz - Ryzen gets about 170 at 4.1 ghz , Multicore score is close to 1800 at 4.1 ghz yours would be around 790.

Going to depend on the game - BF 1 is amazing on my 1800X . Haven't played much else yet.



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Nice, yeap ryzen IPC is really good and will be even better than skylake.
Can you do ULTRA 720P 64p?

I have 144Hz monitor and looking for an upgrade, but not paying 250€+ for quad core/octa thread.
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