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Quote: Originally Posted by Aenra View Post
Since no one's bothered (why?), thought i may as well make a post about it.

Baseline $699 for either one according to the official statements, available (who'd have guessed) February 7th.
Interestingly, the Sapphire's 'Peak' clock is listed at 1750 rather than the officially announced 1800MHz, while AsRock appears to have refrained from posting specifics altogether. Our understanding of the differences between 'Peak' and 'Boost' aside, it remains to be seen whether the GPU has been dialed back, or whether AMD has chosen to go the Nvidia route; will remind here that these will also be sold directly from AMD.


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+ Am personally interested in this, though i understand i'm probably a minority. The extra bandwidth could potentially improve/alleviate some issues the previous Vegas had, the extra performance makes it an upgrade over its siblings and once again (unexpectedly too) i continue to have zero reason to buy from Nvidia. Being aware of the prices for HBM (calculated at around $300-350 per unit), the cost doesn't annoy me either; though of course yes, cheaper will always be better. Except there is cheaper and with either company; choice.
A reasonable upgrade for someone unwilling to buy Nvidia or not aiming at top tier performance. Its being a 're-purposed' Instinct doesn't annoy or interest me in the slightest. I don't see why this needs be portrayed negatively.
Now the people that strive hard to blind themselves with 4/8/9000K setups mere centimeters away from their eyes and/or the people that need to post pics of their 8k rigs (next one will cost ten thousand guyz, hon3st!!!1) may not be interested in any of this, but am somehow hoping that reasonable people will see it differently.
I'd like to see it sell, not only because any AMD income is a welcome income, but also because it would validate the existence of, again, some semblance of reason within this hype-driven market. NuGreedia gimmicks are currently just that, gimmicks, and gimmicks that come at a cost; not just financial either, as the patch required to make some (non)use of them requires specific versions/builds of Windows; shoehorning you before you're even being shoehorned; some more that is.

- Lack of a dual BIOS is a bad move. It was a bad move in the Vega FE, it is even worse a move here as it precludes the FE from being the single exception to an adhered rule. This was an AMD staple, this was convenience and/or QoL, this was an affirmation of their sticking to their 'mentality'. It should not have been absent, am not liking this.
Agree with everything you said. I too am interested in the Radeon VII (or at least I will be later this year when I'm planning my new build) and I also agree that no dual-BIOS is a very bad move by AMD.


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I don't know what kind of driver optimizations are possible between the announcement earlier this month and release date. I think what we want to see at the least is the VII consistently outperforming the 2080, even if it's only by a few frames... that way it would be 'market-conform', however disappointing that market may be. If it fails to do that, it may still be suitable for those that for whatever content-creating reason need 16GiB HBM2 or die-hard AMD users/people who simply loathe Nvidia.

As for me, I don't know. I'm on a five years old 290 and at the moment there is nothing I'd want to play which I currently can't. Then again, the last time I upgraded a videocard because I couldn't play some video-game is quite some time ago. Getting something like this would be more of a hobby thing to me.

There is one thing I'm sure of though: no waterblock means no VII. On an unrelated note, it's a bit shorter than I expected it to be, which I do not dislike.
Oh crap, didn't think about that. Yeah, I need blocks to be available for me to even consider the Radeon VII and I doubt they will produce enough units to create enough demand for companies like EK to bother. Shame...


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Any word on when the customs are set to arrive? Likely several weeks after these ref models launch, so probably March if we're lucky.
Sadly, the Radeon VII will be reference-only per its announcement at CES. An MSi Lightning version of this card would be killer, but I think AMD is going to be tightly controlling the supply and specs of this card since its really just a stopgap placeholder in their product lineup while they finish up Navi. I think it looks like a really nice product as-is (and 16GB of HBM2 is just dool-worthy regardless of how useful it actually is), it should compete well with the 2080, and it does have the bragging rights of being the first 7nm video card to reach production AFAIK. The price is what makes it seem a little underwhelming, especially if it fails to match the 2080's performance, but still certainly a high-end AMD graphics card worthy of release IMO.


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Oh crap, didn't think about that. Yeah, I need blocks to be available for me to even consider the Radeon VII and I doubt they will produce enough units to create enough demand for companies like EK to bother. Shame...
I would be surprised if there weren't blocks.

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I understand this card is expensive to produce but given the mindshare issue they already face and it equals at best a 2080 according to their own benchmarks do they think it will really sell that well? I feel like if they had launched at $500 it would sell like crazy. Or people would wait for Nvidia to lower prices.
How are we in a world where "2080 performance at best" is a knock against this card, especially given that there are barely if any $699 2080s out there?

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Its being a 're-purposed' Instinct doesn't annoy or interest me in the slightest. I don't see why this needs be portrayed negatively.
Don't you love that? It's OK for Nvidia's gaming GPUs to be made from lesser quality Pro silicon but AMD's "just selling broken server cards" if they do it. If AMD's GPU performs and costs the same as one of Nvidia's its "too expensive" even if it has 2x the ram.
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Its being a 're-purposed' Instinct doesn't annoy or interest me in the slightest. I don't see why this needs be portrayed negatively.
Until Maxwell, essentially every consumer GPU was a re-purposed professional part.

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Oh crap, didn't think about that. Yeah, I need blocks to be available for me to even consider the Radeon VII and I doubt they will produce enough units to create enough demand for companies like EK to bother. Shame...
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Oh crap, didn't think about that. Yeah, I need blocks to be available for me to even consider the Radeon VII and I doubt they will produce enough units to create enough demand for companies like EK to bother. Shame...
Not sure where they're getting their info from but I saw the post myself (can't remember if it was Twitter or FB) but Reddit has a thread on just that and EK was judging interest on their social media page. You might dig a little on the matter and see where they ended up.
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